[QUOTE=ElTerribleMorales;1028666]
Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.
the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

Well... I don't know about Chavez Sr being 5 times the fighter Vazquez Sr was.... but he certainly fought 5 times as many bums, especially early in his career (100 wins doesn't impress me when the first 50 were drunken bums).
Well one is a HOF and top 20 in the greatest fighters ever. The other is not

Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
This is my point, VD.... pure and simple:

If the situation was reversed... if Chavez Jr had 20-something fights and had fought the opposition Vazquez Jr has... and if Vazquez Jr had his 40-something fights and was being handled like Baby Chavez is..... you'd be thumping your chest and beating down anyone who didn't agree that Vazquez Jr (in this case) was the "Coddled One", and less deserving than Chavez Jr.

But it's not. It's the way it is, and yet you STILL somehow stick with your man (or babied man, in this case). Deep inside, you know we're right.... but you're bias toward "our" fighters (yes.... you do have one) doesn't let you admit that you may just be wrong.

You see.... I'm not like that. I'm the first one to admit when one of my fighters f*cks up, or is less deserving in some way. I'm not saying I'm totally without bias... that would be ridiculous. All of us have some bias toward our own fighters.
The issue with Vazquez isn't even what he's done or hasn't done. I actually don't mind Vazquez. I just don't give him credit for losing to Arce. You guys think he deserves credit. But at the same time wouldn't answer the question of how much credit does he really deserve for losing to a fighter he only fought cuz he thought he was shot? Yes it was a good fight. Yes he gave his all. But if he knew this was the Arce he was gonna fight going in he would of never fought him. Hard to give any credit in that situation.