Nonito Donaire VS Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. is set for February

[Violent Demise]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

[Galaxy]

Is Arce the one doing the avoiding here? That fight was all the talk along with Nishioka following the Narvaez bout. More Arce is moving to 118 for a trinket.

[Violent Demise]

Is Arce the one doing the avoiding here? That fight was all the talk along with Nishioka following the Narvaez bout. More Arce is moving to 118 for a trinket.

Arce didn't want to wait to face Donaire. And he told Vazquez he would rematch him any time. Vazquez never answered him. So Arce said the hell with it and has gone back down in weight

[Galaxy]

Is Arce the one doing the avoiding here? That fight was all the talk along with Nishioka following the Narvaez bout. More Arce is moving to 118 for a trinket.

Arce didn't want to wait to face Donaire. And he told Vazquez he would rematch him any time. Vazquez never answered him. So Arce said the hell with it and has gone back down in weight

Yeah but weren't they talking Feb? Even with this fight it would still give Arce 3 months to prepare.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

hahahaha Vazquez is 21-1-1, Chavez is at 44-0-1, so that's double the amount of fucking fights, 3 different weight classes, and you have the balls to say that Vazquez Jr avoided Lopez yet leave out that JCC Jr has avoided fighting the likes of anyone at 147, Alvarez, Angulo, Williams, Cintron, hell anyone with a pulse, and at 160 well it looks like he's going to do the same, I find it fuckin hilarious how Chavez Jr has beat only a who's who of fighters YOU have constantly gone out of your way to point out how horrible they were and how they were bums (Manfredo Jr, Duddy, Vanda), the only good name on his record is fucking Carlos Molina and he was ripped off in both fights

[Rantcatrat]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

and? Wilfredo Vazquez Jr had 0 amateur fights and he's already fought Arce and is in line to fight Donaire, that broke down excuse will only get him so far, if he wanted Martinez' belt he should have stepped up and fought him, not throw around other fighter's names to try and make himself relevant (he's called out DLH, Cotto, Alvarez, and plenty of other fighters only never to deliver), Chavez needs to step it up, don't really see how after 45 spoon fed fights anyone can really dispute it, hell Alvarez is younger and is already taking on better opposition

[Rantcatrat]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

and? Wilfredo Vazquez Jr had 0 amateur fights and he's already fought Arce and is in line to fight Donaire, that broke down excuse will only get him so far, if he wanted Martinez' belt he should have stepped up and fought him, not throw around other fighter's names to try and make himself relevant (he's called out DLH, Cotto, Alvarez, and plenty of other fighters only never to deliver), Chavez needs to step it up, don't really see how after 45 spoon fed fights anyone can really dispute it, hell Alvarez is younger and is already taking on better opposition

I'll leave the comparison of Vasquez Jr. and Chavez Jr. to you and VD. The reason I dispute his need to step it up is his lack of amateur career. I also don't think you'd pace him any differently if you were managing him given his lack of amateur career. He literally had two amateur fights. Martinez himself had a very limited amateur career for that matter. I wouldn't fault him for not fighting Martinez, but he should vacate the belt. I think a fight with Lee or someone along those lines would be ideal right now for his development.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

and? Wilfredo Vazquez Jr had 0 amateur fights and he's already fought Arce and is in line to fight Donaire, that broke down excuse will only get him so far, if he wanted Martinez' belt he should have stepped up and fought him, not throw around other fighter's names to try and make himself relevant (he's called out DLH, Cotto, Alvarez, and plenty of other fighters only never to deliver), Chavez needs to step it up, don't really see how after 45 spoon fed fights anyone can really dispute it, hell Alvarez is younger and is already taking on better opposition

I'll leave the comparison of Vasquez Jr. and Chavez Jr. to you and VD. The reason I dispute his need to step it up is his lack of amateur career. I also don't think you'd pace him any differently if you were managing him given his lack of amateur career. He literally had two amateur fights. Martinez himself had a very limited amateur career for that matter. I wouldn't fault him for not fighting Martinez, but he should vacate the belt. I think a fight with Lee or someone along those lines would be ideal right now for his development.

again, Vazquez had NO amateur career so that excuse should be thrown out the window, whatever lack of amateur career he has he's already made up with pro fights, already been in the ring 45 times, albeit against bums, you can't expect a guy to learn a goddam thing in the ring if you only feed him guys that are going to basically roll over for the fucker, Chavez HAS NOT stepped it up in opposition at all, Alvarez who is accused of the same thing and is 4 yrs younger, no amateur career and at least after criticism is going in against Cintron on Saturday night, if Chavez next outing isn't against someone at least rated in the top 5 at 160 he should be stripped but like I said, Uncle Sulaiman isn't gonna let neither of those two actions happen...

[Rantcatrat]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

and? Wilfredo Vazquez Jr had 0 amateur fights and he's already fought Arce and is in line to fight Donaire, that broke down excuse will only get him so far, if he wanted Martinez' belt he should have stepped up and fought him, not throw around other fighter's names to try and make himself relevant (he's called out DLH, Cotto, Alvarez, and plenty of other fighters only never to deliver), Chavez needs to step it up, don't really see how after 45 spoon fed fights anyone can really dispute it, hell Alvarez is younger and is already taking on better opposition

I'll leave the comparison of Vasquez Jr. and Chavez Jr. to you and VD. The reason I dispute his need to step it up is his lack of amateur career. I also don't think you'd pace him any differently if you were managing him given his lack of amateur career. He literally had two amateur fights. Martinez himself had a very limited amateur career for that matter. I wouldn't fault him for not fighting Martinez, but he should vacate the belt. I think a fight with Lee or someone along those lines would be ideal right now for his development.

again, Vazquez had NO amateur career so that excuse should be thrown out the window, whatever lack of amateur career he has he's already made up with pro fights, already been in the ring 45 times, albeit against bums, you can't expect a guy to learn a goddam thing in the ring if you only feed him guys that are going to basically roll over for the fucker, Chavez HAS NOT stepped it up in opposition at all, Alvarez who is accused of the same thing and is 4 yrs younger, no amateur career and at least after criticism is going in against Cintron on Saturday night, if Chavez next outing isn't against someone at least rated in the top 5 at 160 he should be stripped but like I said, Uncle Sulaiman isn't gonna let neither of those two actions happen...

Zbik was ranked in the top ten when he faced Chavez Jr. although I thought Chavez Jr escaped with a lucky win that night. I saw Zbik winning or at the very least that the fight was a lot closer than was suggested on the cards.

[FinitoElDinamita]

haha dammm VD, chillll killa...

[TitoFan]

ok i gotta ask...... is that a tatoo? or an autograph? either way..... props for a hell of an avatar
(any chance we get to see the rest?)

[TitoFan]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

I cannot believe that you would actually throw the dirt on Vazquez that actually should be thrown on baby Chavez. Scratch that..... I do believe it. This is ONE argument you won't win with tough 'hood talk. If the situations were reversed, you'd be having a field day with this one.... and you'd be right. But since you KNOW you're defending the wrong fighter here... you resort to your trash-talking tactics. Really VD...... all it does is undermine whatever credibility you have.

I'll assure you of one thing: At the end of the day, Vazquez Jr. will amount to more, accomplish more, and be looked up to more.... than the babied, coddled, over-protected Baby Chavez, with his doting father hovering close by, making sure his young chick doesn't go anywhere NEAR someone with a pulse.

C'mon..... surprise me by admitting you're on the wrong side this time.

[Violent Demise]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

I cannot believe that you would actually throw the dirt on Vazquez that actually should be thrown on baby Chavez. Scratch that..... I do believe it. This is ONE argument you won't win with tough 'hood talk. If the situations were reversed, you'd be having a field day with this one.... and you'd be right. But since you KNOW you're defending the wrong fighter here... you resort to your trash-talking tactics. Really VD...... all it does is undermine whatever credibility you have.

I'll assure you of one thing: At the end of the day, Vazquez Jr. will amount to more, accomplish more, and be looked up to more.... than the babied, coddled, over-protected Baby Chavez, with his doting father hovering close by, making sure his young chick doesn't go anywhere NEAR someone with a pulse.

C'mon..... surprise me by admitting you're on the wrong side this time.

What the hell you talking about? Ain't no trash talking. I'm making my point by stating straight facts. The problem is you can't dispute anything I said. Cuz it's all on point. And you know it. Tell me. How exactly am I throwing dirt on Vazquez when everything I said was true?

[TitoFan]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

I cannot believe that you would actually throw the dirt on Vazquez that actually should be thrown on baby Chavez. Scratch that..... I do believe it. This is ONE argument you won't win with tough 'hood talk. If the situations were reversed, you'd be having a field day with this one.... and you'd be right. But since you KNOW you're defending the wrong fighter here... you resort to your trash-talking tactics. Really VD...... all it does is undermine whatever credibility you have.

I'll assure you of one thing: At the end of the day, Vazquez Jr. will amount to more, accomplish more, and be looked up to more.... than the babied, coddled, over-protected Baby Chavez, with his doting father hovering close by, making sure his young chick doesn't go anywhere NEAR someone with a pulse.

C'mon..... surprise me by admitting you're on the wrong side this time.

What the hell you talking about? Ain't no trash talking. I'm making my point by stating straight facts. The problem is you can't dispute anything I said. Cuz it's all on point. And you know it. Tell me. How exactly am I throwing dirt on Vazquez when everything I said was true?

There is only one undisputed fact here. Vazquez Jr, with half the fights Chavez Jr has, has already taken on an ex-champion, and narrowly lost. What motivated them to take the fight isn't what's important. What's important was the resulting level of competition.

Meanwhile, on a subject you're so strangely quiet about, Baby Chavez has yet to come within shouting distance of a worthy opponent. And what's worse... Overbearing Papa Chavez isn't showing any signs of allowing his baby boy to face any serious challengers (any that can bang, anyway).

We can go back and forth on this all day. Vazquez's opponents vs. Baby Chavez's opponents. But the fact remains.... at twice the fights Vazquez has, the Baby has faced lesser opposition. Tell me, Baby Chavez has fought over 40 times, and still has a bloated record based on bums. What did his list of opponents look like when he had only fought the same amount as Vazquez has now? Answer: an even more disgusting list of bums.