Roach needs to start teaching real proffesional fighting

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Good opinion. Good pointers there Taeth.

You're basically asking Roach to make his fighters to give boring performance just to conserve energy.

Wasnt this on the "things people say who have low boxing IQ's" thread? I think wwhat he's asking for is a smart gameplan

lol Dont expect too much from a pactard..

I happen to find constant clinching as boring gameplan, dumbfuck.

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Good opinion. Good pointers there Taeth.

You're basically asking Roach to make his fighters to give boring performance just to conserve energy.

Wasnt this on the "things people say who have low boxing IQ's" thread? I think wwhat he's asking for is a smart gameplan

lol Dont expect too much from a pactard..

I happen to find constant clinching as boring gameplan, dumbfuck.

Silly boy.
Not all defense is boring!
Its all about being smart as well as speed and footwork.

[Taeth]

Sometimes you should clinch, Pacquiao could clinch in certain spots and still look exciting with his combinations, but you see him getting cramps while being in the best shape of his life, but he honestly is getting older, and if he doesn't adapt he will be screwed in a few years. If he had better stand in the pocket defense I think it would help him use way less excessive footwork, Lampley was talking about the amazing things Pacquiao was doing in the ring, but his footwork was often letting him land punches that weren't significant because Marquez could still see him coming in from so far away. If Pacquiao's opponent cover's up then he really excels because he is so accurate and has so much power which is what Freddie has been building, if they cover up then by the time he's done punching he is out of their range, but if they uses footwork range from the onset then Pacquiao becomes more hesitent because he doesn't know how to walk a guy down. It's either explosive or nothing. Look how far away Marquez was able to keep him compared to guys like Clottey, Cotto, even Margarito. They were foolish enough to stand in his power range expecting their size to be enough to handle his punches. Look how much worse his output was against Mosley and Marquez when they used just a little lateral backwards movement. I was expecting MOsley to come forward more with his cross, but he got caught by a hard punch he didn't see in the third round which shut him down for the rest of it, but he also caused a lot of tactical problems for Manny.

Basically Manny doesn't have the nuances to walk in on a guy, and he really should practice coming in like JCC during sparring even if he wouldn't fight completely like that in a fight. Or how Oscar did against Floyd, it's clear to me that Manny has always charged in, but he really doesn't need to, there were times where if he was a little more comfortable a step or two in against Marquez where he still had plenty of time to react to what marquez was throwing that he could have picked Juan Manuel apart with his speed, and he would have landed much harder blows more consistently. Also he wouldn't come in so fully and thus he would be able to get back out more readily, and he could use more upperbody movement while doing so.

[Gandalf]

Roach is way overrated. Like he says himself, he is nothing without the gift of his fighters. Khan is the same as he has always been and Manny's improvements are nothing more than a fighter who no longer drains himself.

They are good fighters, but Roach himself doesn't make fighters. They are already developed when they come to him. Tyson, Toney, Pac etc, already decent and no changes made at all.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Roach is way overrated. Like he says himself, he is nothing without the gift of his fighters. Khan is the same as he has always been and Manny's improvements are nothing more than a fighter who no longer drains himself.

They are good fighters, but Roach himself doesn't make fighters. They are already developed when they come to him. Tyson, Toney, Pac etc, already decent and no changes made at all.

Spot on!

[Gandalf]

In the case of Toney or Tyson you can even argue that Roach was poor and let his fighters get away with poor conditioning.

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In the case of Toney or Tyson you can even argue that Roach was poor and let his fighters get away with poor conditioning.

Agreed, I always wondered what was up with Roach training Toney for the time he did, seemed like a silly match. James had forgotten more about the sport than almost any active trainer let alone Freddie Roach, you'd think he would've just needed someone to keep him in shape and motivated...