Is ward being a little bit overrated in all of this?

[erics44]

Yes it was a good performance

as good as mayweather?

Is america just looking too hard for another superstar?

[Mars_ax]

Yes it was a good performance

as good as mayweather?

Is america just looking too hard for another superstar?

I'm not, I can't stand Ward, and in my book he'll never be a "superstar" (except in his own mind)

[shza]

Yes it was a good performance

as good as mayweather?

Is america just looking too hard for another superstar?

One can only imagine how much the Brits would be overrating Froch had it gone the other way. Look how much you all were overrating him before the fight even happened.

I've yet to hear a single person say Ward is as good as Mayweather, btw. Straw man.

[erics44]

Yes it was a good performance

as good as mayweather?

Is america just looking too hard for another superstar?

One can only imagine how much the Brits would be overrating Froch had it gone the other way. Look how much you all were overrating him before the fight even happened.

I've yet to hear a single person say Ward is as good as Mayweather, btw. Straw man.

if i remember correctly everyone including the brits were saying ward would win a ud, i dont think anyone was overrating froch before the fight

i was the only one saying froch would win but ill tell you England will win the next world cup

what does straw man mean?

and by the way Froch won more than one or 2 rounds, being harsh he won 3

it was a very good performance by ward but superstar?

[FinitoElDinamita]

Floyd and ward dont belong in the same sentence..

Ward is has a style that works but he's not exciting at all . Hes not a superstar material.

Let's look elsewhere..

[outspoken]

Well I strongly disagree with you guys, I feel like Ward has superstar written all over him. He's a humble kid with great boxing skills, sure he's not mayweather but he's on his way. He is without doubt the king of the middleweight tourny. This kid IMO will do great things. He already has Froch, Abraham, Bika, Green, Kessler (the tournys fav) miranda under his belt.. And he's still a young fighter at 27 would love to see him take out Bute now.

[Dropanuke]

Froch as awkward as he is and looks is prob the most likely to ever beat ward in all fareness, he strength and tough roughness did him very well. If froch had a better inside game I honestly think he would have beat him.
People say froch got best easy but he didn't, he hit ward plenty with soft punches and alot of body shots.
I thought it was a good fight and ward is now the man and will become #1 p4p and that means froch is fucking good

[shza]

Froch as awkward as he is and looks is prob the most likely to ever beat ward in all fareness, he strength and tough roughness did him very well. If froch had a better inside game I honestly think he would have beat him.
People say froch got best easy but he didn't, he hit ward plenty with soft punches and alot of body shots.
I thought it was a good fight and ward is now the man and will become #1 p4p and that means froch is fucking good

Aren't you the blind man who gave Froch 5 rounds? Apologies if I've got the wrong guy.

It was an 11-1 or a 10-2 fight. Pretty dominant, IMO; and not clear that Froch is even the best opponent that Ward has faced (may be Kessler).

[Dropanuke]

Yes I'm the guy who saw 2 scores of 15-13 twice and were not uk so yeah who's blind

Tut tut

[shza]

Yes I'm the guy who saw 2 scores of 15-13 twice and were not uk so yeah who's blind

Tut tut

You and those two judges. Like every boxing writer and everyone on this forum (besides you) agrees. Read around a bit - no one else thinks those cards were halfway sane.

[Dropanuke]

But they were official!!!

And come on Americans don't get it wrong do they Exactly!!!!

Now reply

[shza]

But they were official!!!

And come on Americans don't get it wrong do they Exactly!!!!

Now reply

I don't have the same nationalistic blindness as you, my friend. American judges get it wrong plenty of times, including this time. Pretty sure American judges were the ones who gifted the Lara fight to Paul Williams too. Not sure if you think you're scoring points with that comment or "just having a laugh" as you say over there.

The British judge got it just about right -- slightly generous.

[Rantcatrat]

Ward can only be overrated if you didn't think too highly of Froch and Kessler prior to Ward's victories. Now the world is annointing Ward as the next big thing because of wins over good, but not great, fighters. I'm of that mindset. Frankly, that is where I stand and that is why I agree with Erics that Ward is being overrated. I just think too much is being made out of beating Froch and Kessler. That Ward has been proclaimed fighter of the year for beating Froch says a lot about this year's combatants.

I have said a few times that I felt Kessler was overrated and how it was strange that he became so famous by a loss to Calzaghe where he was only competitive for three maybe four rounds of a twelve round fight.

Froch is a good fighter. He's a brave fighter and he does his country proud. I'm a big fan of Froch. If more fighters had the mettle that he does, we'd have better boxing. However, Froch is not a great fighter because he is just not athletic enough. His best win was over Pascal because what Pascal has done since then. Froch didn't look resoundingly brilliant against Johnson or against Taylor. He got those wins because that is the kind of fighter Froch is and you can't discount that. Believing in yourself is an underrated trait in boxing. If Froch had the natural athletic ability to match his ring intelligence and grit, the man would be a great, but he is just limited athletically. The Ward fight showed as much. Froch couldn't figure out Ward's speed.

For Ward fans who believe he is ranked where he should be, am I correct that you feel strongly that Froch and Kessler are very good? I'll say this, and for anyone who has seen my posts in the past, if Bute loses to Froch, I'll eat crow. I'll admit Ward is that good and he is ranked where he should be. If Bute beats Froch, I believe my point stands. If Bute stops Froch or dominates Froch more than Ward, please get over the Ward bias and move Bute up above Ward in super middleweight standings because against every single one of their common opponents, Bute has looked better.

As to the scoring of the fight, I had Froch winning four rounds, but I'll admit I need to rewatch it. At the time, I had round 3, 9, 11 and 12 to Froch. The fact that the Showtime announcers were more annoyingly biased than I've heard announcers be in a long while may have persuaded me to give Froch close rounds. It was ridiculous. Usually, there is a good cop/bad cop thing going on where one announcer pleads one boxer's case and the other pleads his opponent's, but I don't think I heard one single compliment of Froch or one single criticism of Ward the whole telecast. Come on fellas. I also didn't like Ward's excessive holding in the final stanzas. By my own admission though, I gave any close rounds to Froch. The other 8 rounds, Ward clearly won. So, 8-4 Ward or Ward 116-112.

[J_Undisputed]

Considering where the rest of the fighters are today, Ward is ahead of the game. It doesnt make him a superstar. Is he being overrated, I can't say that. Only because, the way he's fighting, his longevity will make him seem like a great fighter because he's out smarted much of the rest of his class. He's got good movement, ring generalship and effectively slips punches. He minimizes his weakness by crowding other fighters and taking leverage and power off their punches.
When he first started doing his Roy Jones Impersonation, he got dropped a few times. So he made adjustments and fights smarter. On the inside, using things like his head, elbows, forearms and that Stiff arm he used a couple of times against Froch. He fights off the break but can be outboxed from a distance. So he crowds, mauls, and gets off first and gets out of range.

I was a fan of neither before this fight. Sadly, I still came away with more respect for Froch being a gentleman in defeat than I did for Wards stylized dirty boxing.

[Mar]

I think it's funny that people think butte is great for beating no one, yet ward is overrated for beating everyone. Dude has the belts, the fancy lil super six cup and people can still dig and find something negative to say about the guy. Amazing. Instead of this crying about ward being overrated, not great, boring how about use that energy to find a way to beat the guy. He mauls and fouls his way to a win over and over we all know it's coming but fighters still go in there loose just to complain about it. If ward is overrated , then i hate to see the opinion of the rest of the division. They must be horrible. Im not a ward fan hell i acutally think without the hugging at the end of the fight froch would have won, but all the negative about a guy none of these guys can beat is funny