Is Andre Ward a "Great" fighter?

[Manos de Piedra]

Right now he's one of the top fighters out there, easily top 5 p4p. Greatness as in all time great he's not there yet but has the potential.

[Mars_ax]

It's odd, I really don't find Ward un-entertaining.

Maybe the Green fight was a little teipd but I really enjoyed his fights with Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Miranda, Froch etc..

Ward seems to be gaining a bit of popularity, but he's still a grade "B" movie as far as entertainment. He lost me as being any kind of fan at all in the beginning of his career with that SOG bullshit, and that gang infested sewer of Oakland, California. I have zero interest in watching his fights.

You're from East Texas and talking that kind of shit? I had to spend a week and a half in Beaumont once -- most depressing place I've ever been (and the smelliest).

Oakland is a geographically big city. It's also 10 minutes from San Francisco (what do you have - Houston? LOL). There are big regional parks full of redwood trees and extremely wealthy areas with top restaurants, shops, great architecture, and beautiful bay views. The violence and gang stuff is totally limited to a few areas and is waaay overplayed by the media. If you didn't purposely venture into those areas, you'd have no idea it existed in Oakland.

The Beaumont area is depressing, (Port Arthur is a fucking armpit) we don't really consider it a part of "East Texas", which by the way, can also be depressing.
I have no doubt that, that region of California puts East Texas to shame in most ways, no argument there. F.W.I.W., given a choice, I probably wouldn't live in ET, but my business and family is here.

It just seems that much of what you see and hear about Oakland is the violence, drug and gang stuff, the media has reported things that convinced me that I wouldn't want to live there.

[Mar]

Make another poll of the guys in his division that have beaten him, or are better. No one on the list exactly. Ward is pretty good. If he's not then look at the list of guys under him. If he's not great then they must be garbage. Dude wins. Im not a huge fan of his but to take away from the guy is crazy.

[shza]

It's odd, I really don't find Ward un-entertaining.

Maybe the Green fight was a little teipd but I really enjoyed his fights with Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Miranda, Froch etc..

Ward seems to be gaining a bit of popularity, but he's still a grade "B" movie as far as entertainment. He lost me as being any kind of fan at all in the beginning of his career with that SOG bullshit, and that gang infested sewer of Oakland, California. I have zero interest in watching his fights.

You're from East Texas and talking that kind of shit? I had to spend a week and a half in Beaumont once -- most depressing place I've ever been (and the smelliest).

Oakland is a geographically big city. It's also 10 minutes from San Francisco (what do you have - Houston? LOL). There are big regional parks full of redwood trees and extremely wealthy areas with top restaurants, shops, great architecture, and beautiful bay views. The violence and gang stuff is totally limited to a few areas and is waaay overplayed by the media. If you didn't purposely venture into those areas, you'd have no idea it existed in Oakland.

The Beaumont area is depressing, (Port Arthur is a fucking armpit) we don't really consider it a part of "East Texas", which by the way, can also be depressing.
I have no doubt that, that region of California puts East Texas to shame in most ways, no argument there. F.W.I.W., given a choice, I probably wouldn't live in ET, but my business and family is here.

It just seems that much of what you see and hear about Oakland is the violence, drug and gang stuff, the media has reported things that convinced me that I wouldn't want to live there.

Ok, fair enough. Just know that the media portrayal of Oakland is highly distorted and reflects the reality of only a few self-contained parts of the city. It's kind of like saying "New York City" is a scary, violent place because there are a few really bad parts of Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx. I had my parents out recently and they were very surprised.

Anyway, back on topic . . . .

[ReBeL BLacK]

It's odd, I really don't find Ward un-entertaining.

Maybe the Green fight was a little teipd but I really enjoyed his fights with Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Miranda, Froch etc..

Ward seems to be gaining a bit of popularity, but he's still a grade "B" movie as far as entertainment. He lost me as being any kind of fan at all in the beginning of his career with that SOG bullshit, and that gang infested sewer of Oakland, California. I have zero interest in watching his fights.

You're from East Texas and talking that kind of shit? I had to spend a week and a half in Beaumont once -- most depressing place I've ever been (and the smelliest).

Oakland is a geographically big city. It's also 10 minutes from San Francisco (what do you have - Houston? LOL). There are big regional parks full of redwood trees and extremely wealthy areas with top restaurants, shops, great architecture, and beautiful bay views. The violence and gang stuff is totally limited to a few areas and is waaay overplayed by the media. If you didn't purposely venture into those areas, you'd have no idea it existed in Oakland.

The Beaumont area is depressing, (Port Arthur is a fucking armpit) we don't really consider it a part of "East Texas", which by the way, can also be depressing.
I have no doubt that, that region of California puts East Texas to shame in most ways, no argument there. F.W.I.W., given a choice, I probably wouldn't live in ET, but my business and family is here.

It just seems that much of what you see and hear about Oakland is the violence, drug and gang stuff, the media has reported things that convinced me that I wouldn't want to live there.

Ok, fair enough. Just know that the media portrayal of Oakland is highly distorted and reflects the reality of only a few self-contained parts of the city. It's kind of like saying "New York City" is a scary, violent place because there are a few really bad parts of Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx. I had my parents out recently and they were very surprised.

Anyway, back on topic . . . .

Danm that was Brutal you killed it
and the people who have the most redicoulas reasons for not wanting to see someone's fights is ignorant. What can you have against a guy who calls himself SOG. He is a Humble and Noble winner and thats one of the reasons he is amongst my favorite fighters.
Your probably one of the guys who booed during the Pac Man Clottey fight
I always say it and Ill say it again
if you have ever thought you had seen a boring Boxing match then your not a Boxing fan
Go RAIDERS!!!

[Mars_ax]

ReBeL BLacK

Danm that was Brutal you killed it
and the people who have the most redicoulas reasons for not wanting to see someone's fights is ignorant. What can you have against a guy who calls himself SOG. He is a Humble and Noble winner and thats one of the reasons he is amongst my favorite fighters.
Your probably one of the guys who booed during the Pac Man Clottey fight
I always say it and Ill say it again
if you have ever thought you had seen a boring Boxing match then your not a Boxing fan
Go RAIDERS!!!

Attention! pretentious newbie cretin alert! man your ignore features now!

[ReBeL BLacK]

ReBeL BLacK

Danm that was Brutal you killed it
and the people who have the most redicoulas reasons for not wanting to see someone's fights is ignorant. What can you have against a guy who calls himself SOG. He is a Humble and Noble winner and thats one of the reasons he is amongst my favorite fighters.
Your probably one of the guys who booed during the Pac Man Clottey fight
I always say it and Ill say it again
if you have ever thought you had seen a boring Boxing match then your not a Boxing fan
Go RAIDERS!!!

Attention! pretentious newbie cretin alert! man your ignore features now!

Whose a Jigga whaaaaah?