Jones vs Machida

[Mattyhitman]

I see Chuck leading in Jones with his awkward counter punch style and landing big with the over hand on one of Jones half ass jabs. That or catching him after a kick. I still believe Chuck is the best light heavyweight to date, man i miss watching him fight! Still my all time favourite!

I dont. Jones has a freakish reach advantage and as good as Chucks takedown defence was, he could be taken down and Jones WOULD get him there. It would only take a few of those elbows and it would be all over. Dont forget Rampage handed chuck his ass in his prime twice

Good post, totally agree. Jones's reach would ensure Chuck doesnt land that big shot cleanly. As good as Chuck was, he was a kickboxer that didnt really kick, and relied on his hands way too much. Jones would show him up to be a one dimensional fighter.

[VictorCharlie]

I see Chuck leading in Jones with his awkward counter punch style and landing big with the over hand on one of Jones half ass jabs. That or catching him after a kick. I still believe Chuck is the best light heavyweight to date, man i miss watching him fight! Still my all time favourite!

I dont. Jones has a freakish reach advantage and as good as Chucks takedown defence was, he could be taken down and Jones WOULD get him there. It would only take a few of those elbows and it would be all over. Dont forget Rampage handed chuck his ass in his prime twice

Good post, totally agree. Jones's reach would ensure Chuck doesnt land that big shot cleanly. As good as Chuck was, he was a kickboxer that didnt really kick, and relied on his hands way too much. Jones would show him up to be a one dimensional fighter.

I think one dimensional is not entirely accurate. Chuck had great wrestling. He just used it to keep the fight standing versus on the mat. I would agree his striking was one dimensional. Particularly as the sport kept evolving. I think he would have won a few more if he had started using more takedowns when his chin and reflexes started to leave him.

[Mattyhitman]

I see Chuck leading in Jones with his awkward counter punch style and landing big with the over hand on one of Jones half ass jabs. That or catching him after a kick. I still believe Chuck is the best light heavyweight to date, man i miss watching him fight! Still my all time favourite!

I dont. Jones has a freakish reach advantage and as good as Chucks takedown defence was, he could be taken down and Jones WOULD get him there. It would only take a few of those elbows and it would be all over. Dont forget Rampage handed chuck his ass in his prime twice

Good post, totally agree. Jones's reach would ensure Chuck doesnt land that big shot cleanly. As good as Chuck was, he was a kickboxer that didnt really kick, and relied on his hands way too much. Jones would show him up to be a one dimensional fighter.

I think one dimensional is not entirely accurate. Chuck had great wrestling. He just used it to keep the fight standing versus on the mat. I would agree his striking was one dimensional. Particularly as the sport kept evolving. I think he would have won a few more if he had started using more takedowns when his chin and reflexes started to leave him.

Your right he did have great wrestling, just never used it to his advantage imo, he seemed to always prefer to keep it standing and use his boxing to take his opponents out.
Why he didnt utilise the wrestling more for the G&P i'll never know

[VictorCharlie]

For one I thing Chuck fell into the old dog can't learn new tricks category. There was a period of time that his striking style and TD defense was cutting edge. The sport evolved both in technique and fighter athletic ability, fighters figured him out and he got older. Chuck just never changed his approach at all. Its hard to be a head hunting banger when your chin starts to go and your reflexes get slower. I'd say post Rampage II Chuck was on the decline and would have benefitted from going to another camp versus staying with Hackelman. I don't know if he'd have won the belt again but I think he would have had a couple more wins.

[Mattyhitman]

For one I thing Chuck fell into the old dog can't learn new tricks category. There was a period of time that his striking style and TD defense was cutting edge. The sport evolved both in technique and fighter athletic ability, fighters figured him out and he got older. Chuck just never changed his approach at all. Its hard to be a head hunting banger when your chin starts to go and your reflexes get slower. I'd say post Rampage II Chuck was on the decline and would have benefitted from going to another camp versus staying with Hackelman. I don't know if he'd have won the belt again but I think he would have had a couple more wins.

Nailed it on the head !
Out of the current crop of LHW's, I see Rampage going down the same route as Chuck did, he has become more reliant on the punching ability rather than using his wrestling ability he showed so well in his Pride days.