Kevin Rooney: "Mormeck has mastered the style of Tyson's prime"

[El Kabong]

Your right, there have been shite fighters at heavy over the last 10 years. None would have beaten the old tired Lewis

There havent been any and there is none that are quick and coordinated rather than just big and strong.

A lot of the top heavies now are europeans who have done well after years of amateur comp. None have been rushed through the amateur scene because the trainer realises he has a massive talent that could make a lot of people a lot of money fighting in the pros. Not since Tyson has a fighter of only 18 had the expectations of becoming THE heavyweight champ with no worry of the current comp that included Holmes getting in their way.

As per usual you sell the Klitschko's short, like they aren't quick and coordinated ...if the division was ruled by Bulk alone then Valuev would be king of the division.

Mike Tyson was a fighter of tremendous skill, but his style was flawed and no matter who teaches it to who it IS a flawed style. If Tyson stayed with Cus and Cus lived Tyson would have lost, had Tyson stayed with Rooney, Tyson would have lost. The guy only defended his titles a few times, and after he lost them he was never THE Heavyweight Champion again, he was just a paper champion. the biggest challenges he fought in his career he lost to, he never got off the canvas to win, and hell sometimes the guy just gave up.

The Cus D'Mato STYLE is a flawed system that has been hyped up because of Mike Tyson's early career successes...if it was so great everyone would use it

[ross]

Your right, there have been shite fighters at heavy over the last 10 years. None would have beaten the old tired Lewis

There havent been any and there is none that are quick and coordinated rather than just big and strong.

A lot of the top heavies now are europeans who have done well after years of amateur comp. None have been rushed through the amateur scene because the trainer realises he has a massive talent that could make a lot of people a lot of money fighting in the pros. Not since Tyson has a fighter of only 18 had the expectations of becoming THE heavyweight champ with no worry of the current comp that included Holmes getting in their way.

As per usual you sell the Klitschko's short, like they aren't quick and coordinated ...if the division was ruled by Bulk alone then Valuev would be king of the division.

Mike Tyson was a fighter of tremendous skill, but his style was flawed and no matter who teaches it to who it IS a flawed style. If Tyson stayed with Cus and Cus lived Tyson would have lost, had Tyson stayed with Rooney, Tyson would have lost. The guy only defended his titles a few times, and after he lost them he was never THE Heavyweight Champion again, he was just a paper champion. the biggest challenges he fought in his career he lost to, he never got off the canvas to win, and hell sometimes the guy just gave up.

The Cus D'Mato STYLE is a flawed system that has been hyped up because of Mike Tyson's early career successes...if it was so great everyone would use it

If selling the Klitschkos short is saying they couldnt beat an old Lewis, you need to reavaluate how good you think they are. Or Vitali at least!

No other heavy has tried the Tyson "style" because they dont have rhe confidence to stay in range and avoid getting hit, and having the skill to get the shots through themselves.

Mike only struggled when he stopped fighting how he was taught in the first place. There is a masive difference to the fighter that could bob and weave and rarely take a shot, like against Holmes to the fighter who stood and slugged with Rudduck.

[El Kabong]

If selling the Klitschkos short is saying they couldnt beat an old Lewis, you need to reavaluate how good you think they are. Or Vitali at least!

No other heavy has tried the Tyson "style" because they dont have rhe confidence to stay in range and avoid getting hit, and having the skill to get the shots through themselves.

Mike only struggled when he stopped fighting how he was taught in the first place. There is a masive difference to the fighter that could bob and weave and rarely take a shot, like against Holmes to the fighter who stood and slugged with Rudduck.

Vitali took the fight on short notice, he had been training to fight Cedric Boswell....did Vitali do poorly against Lennox? I mean sure the eye got cut, but aside from that did Vitali do poorly? He couldn't have done too poorly as he was winning rounds....so I fail to see why you bring up Lennox Lewis (a fighter who grew into his skill set) and a fight where Lennox got extremely lucky to cut Vitali like he did as an evidence that the Klitschko's are bad fighters.

Mike Tyson didn't struggle because he fought a whole bunch of bums, a half assed prepared Larry Holmes and Frank Bruno were probably the strongest competition he had before heading to prison. Donovan Ruddock was undisciplined which is why Tommy Morrison shelled him the way he did. But you just keep on believing that Tyson was some sort of unbeatable hulk, his record, and the records of the people using the Cus D'Mato style speak volumes.

[El Kabong]

80% chance...there you go man

[Hulk]

80% chance...there you go man

The years have not been kind to poor Rooney.

He actually looks a bit like Cus D'amato now.

[bestjabwins]

How is Tyson's style so badly flawed? Sure, for a taller fighter it isn't the best style but for a fighter who is significantly smaller or shorter there aren't really many better alternatives. What's flawed about slipping and bobbing under punches so you can counter, and keeping your gloves up high? I accept that maybe one of tyson's weaknesses was that he was weaker at fighting off the back foot but along with his power and attitude, his technique was key to beating taller opponents.

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If selling the Klitschkos short is saying they couldnt beat an old Lewis, you need to reavaluate how good you think they are. Or Vitali at least!

No other heavy has tried the Tyson "style" because they dont have rhe confidence to stay in range and avoid getting hit, and having the skill to get the shots through themselves.

Mike only struggled when he stopped fighting how he was taught in the first place. There is a masive difference to the fighter that could bob and weave and rarely take a shot, like against Holmes to the fighter who stood and slugged with Rudduck.

Vitali took the fight on short notice, he had been training to fight Cedric Boswell....did Vitali do poorly against Lennox? I mean sure the eye got cut, but aside from that did Vitali do poorly? He couldn't have done too poorly as he was winning rounds....so I fail to see why you bring up Lennox Lewis (a fighter who grew into his skill set) and a fight where Lennox got extremely lucky to cut Vitali like he did as an evidence that the Klitschko's are bad fighters.

Mike Tyson didn't struggle because he fought a whole bunch of bums, a half assed prepared Larry Holmes and Frank Bruno were probably the strongest competition he had before heading to prison. Donovan Ruddock was undisciplined which is why Tommy Morrison shelled him the way he did. But you just keep on believing that Tyson was some sort of unbeatable hulk, his record, and the records of the people using the Cus D'Mato style speak volumes.

Hold on. Did Lennox have any more notice of fighting Vitali than Vitali did of fighting Lennox? This notice stuff is bullshit. You can see that had Lewis had the right amount of notice Vitali may have been stopped earlier. Lennox was absolutely knackered! Fell on to his stool at the end! Had a fitter Lewis been in there, I doubt the cuts would have been an issue! At the end of the day, Vitali couldnt beat an old underprepared Lewis. He blew whatever chance he had at being regarded as great right there.

[El Kabong]

If selling the Klitschkos short is saying they couldnt beat an old Lewis, you need to reavaluate how good you think they are. Or Vitali at least!

No other heavy has tried the Tyson "style" because they dont have rhe confidence to stay in range and avoid getting hit, and having the skill to get the shots through themselves.

Mike only struggled when he stopped fighting how he was taught in the first place. There is a masive difference to the fighter that could bob and weave and rarely take a shot, like against Holmes to the fighter who stood and slugged with Rudduck.

Vitali took the fight on short notice, he had been training to fight Cedric Boswell....did Vitali do poorly against Lennox? I mean sure the eye got cut, but aside from that did Vitali do poorly? He couldn't have done too poorly as he was winning rounds....so I fail to see why you bring up Lennox Lewis (a fighter who grew into his skill set) and a fight where Lennox got extremely lucky to cut Vitali like he did as an evidence that the Klitschko's are bad fighters.

Mike Tyson didn't struggle because he fought a whole bunch of bums, a half assed prepared Larry Holmes and Frank Bruno were probably the strongest competition he had before heading to prison. Donovan Ruddock was undisciplined which is why Tommy Morrison shelled him the way he did. But you just keep on believing that Tyson was some sort of unbeatable hulk, his record, and the records of the people using the Cus D'Mato style speak volumes.

Hold on. Did Lennox have any more notice of fighting Vitali than Vitali did of fighting Lennox? This notice stuff is bullshit. You can see that had Lewis had the right amount of notice Vitali may have been stopped earlier. Lennox was absolutely knackered! Fell on to his stool at the end! Had a fitter Lewis been in there, I doubt the cuts would have been an issue! At the end of the day, Vitali couldnt beat an old underprepared Lewis. He blew whatever chance he had at being regarded as great right there.

So Vitali is not great due to a freak cut he suffered despite being well ahead on the scorecards? A rematch was not granted but was well warranted!!!

[Mars_ax]

It's funny listening to Rooney trying to put a positive spin on Mormeck. I don't believe a word of what he's saying,
Rooney was a fucking clown even when he was training Tyson.