British Predictions For 2012

[Tam Seddon]

ricky burns is nowhere near a great fightet. Lmfao

Kevin Mitchell will win a title as long as ricky bums grows a pair to fight him.


Ricky.burns is just a solid B level guy.

Burns has never made any claims to greatness and has fought everyone put in front of him.
I do not believe his bravery can be questioned. Mitchell is a great fighter but his failure to capitalise on his win over Murray is not Burns fault, he needs to keep to his probation conditions.
Burns has only just moved into Mitchell's Weight class so he has actually shown more balls by moving up in weight.
Burns proved his credentials against Martinez and consolidated his not inconsiderable cojones by choosing to fight Katsidis and then beating him.
Burns may not be A great, but he is a great fighter.

He displayed pure cowardice when he coward out of the Adrian Broner fight

How was Burns a coward when he was strugglying to make weight and then he moved up to fight Katsidis who is a known powerpuncher and established at the weight. Not a lot of people gave Burns a chance, myself included because the fight was a risk which has paid off for Burns.

Burns was suppose to face Broner before he pulled out of there fight. But requested and was granted the opportunity to make an optional defense. Because everybody knows he just needed to fight Nicky Cook. After the Cook charade he's forced to face his mandatory. Which is Broner. Everything is set. The date and venue are set. HBO is ready. Broner is ready. Than just weeks from the fight Burns pulls out to take a fight with Katsidis. A fighter who not only had lost 2 of his last 3. But was dominated in those 2 losses. How is that not a coward move?

Your not Ricky Burns though and he said he couldn't peform as well at 130 and yeah taking on Broner would have been a tougher fight and if Burns would have lost which was likely he would not be in the position he is now. I don't see it as cowardly I saw that move as smart...he could do better at 135 because he struggled making weight and as I said before Katsidis was expected to roll over Burns because Katsidis was suppose to be better than Burns. Katsidis lost to Marquez who just beat Manny IMO and Guerrero who's the man to beat at 135, no shame in that. Katsidis has shown us Brits what he is capable in the past e.g. Mitchell and Earl and any British fan knows he is a powerful fighter for Burns and a true step up in class. That win is leading on for Burns to become a 2 weight world Champion ( I know his record isn't strong) however he's still nearly a two weight champion.

So in my eyes that wasn't a cowardly move it was a tactical risk that is going to pay off because Burns will get more pay days now, if he fought Broner maybe he would not get the opportunity he's got now. Now that's a smart move IMO. Put yourself in Burns' shoes if you were him and had his ability you would have done the same...why? Because it was the most sensible move as he has proven.

[Violent Demise]

ricky burns is nowhere near a great fightet. Lmfao

Kevin Mitchell will win a title as long as ricky bums grows a pair to fight him.


Ricky.burns is just a solid B level guy.

Burns has never made any claims to greatness and has fought everyone put in front of him.
I do not believe his bravery can be questioned. Mitchell is a great fighter but his failure to capitalise on his win over Murray is not Burns fault, he needs to keep to his probation conditions.
Burns has only just moved into Mitchell's Weight class so he has actually shown more balls by moving up in weight.
Burns proved his credentials against Martinez and consolidated his not inconsiderable cojones by choosing to fight Katsidis and then beating him.
Burns may not be A great, but he is a great fighter.

He displayed pure cowardice when he coward out of the Adrian Broner fight

How was Burns a coward when he was strugglying to make weight and then he moved up to fight Katsidis who is a known powerpuncher and established at the weight. Not a lot of people gave Burns a chance, myself included because the fight was a risk which has paid off for Burns.

Burns was suppose to face Broner before he pulled out of there fight. But requested and was granted the opportunity to make an optional defense. Because everybody knows he just needed to fight Nicky Cook. After the Cook charade he's forced to face his mandatory. Which is Broner. Everything is set. The date and venue are set. HBO is ready. Broner is ready. Than just weeks from the fight Burns pulls out to take a fight with Katsidis. A fighter who not only had lost 2 of his last 3. But was dominated in those 2 losses. How is that not a coward move?

Your not Ricky Burns though and he said he couldn't peform as well at 130 and yeah taking on Broner would have been a tougher fight and if Burns would have lost which was likely he would not be in the position he is now. I don't see it as cowardly I saw that move as smart...he could do better at 135 because he struggled making weight and as I said before Katsidis was expected to roll over Burns because Katsidis was suppose to be better than Burns. Katsidis lost to Marquez who just beat Manny IMO and Guerrero who's the man to beat at 135, no shame in that. Katsidis has shown us Brits what he is capable in the past e.g. Mitchell and Earl and any British fan knows he is a powerful fighter for Burns and a true step up in class. That win is leading on for Burns to become a 2 weight world Champion ( I know his record isn't strong) however he's still nearly a two weight champion.

So in my eyes that wasn't a cowardly move it was a tactical risk that is going to pay off because Burns will get more pay days now, if he fought Broner maybe he would not get the opportunity he's got now. Now that's a smart move IMO. Put yourself in Burns' shoes if you were him and had his ability you would have done the same...why? Because it was the most sensible move as he has proven.

First of all I don't remember Burns ever complaining he had trouble making weight. But so be it. If that was the case than why agree to the fight in the first place (The date and venue were set. HBO had announced the fight. So there was no doubt he agreed to the fight)? He even said it himself he was gonna fight his mandatory next after beating Cook.

When the fight was first announced everybody knew Broner was gonna fight one more time before facing Burns. I don't think it's a coincidence that Burns all of a sudden developed a problem making weight after watching Adrien Broner destroy Jason Litzau in less than a round

[Tam Seddon]

ricky burns is nowhere near a great fightet. Lmfao

Kevin Mitchell will win a title as long as ricky bums grows a pair to fight him.


Ricky.burns is just a solid B level guy.

Burns has never made any claims to greatness and has fought everyone put in front of him.
I do not believe his bravery can be questioned. Mitchell is a great fighter but his failure to capitalise on his win over Murray is not Burns fault, he needs to keep to his probation conditions.
Burns has only just moved into Mitchell's Weight class so he has actually shown more balls by moving up in weight.
Burns proved his credentials against Martinez and consolidated his not inconsiderable cojones by choosing to fight Katsidis and then beating him.
Burns may not be A great, but he is a great fighter.

He displayed pure cowardice when he coward out of the Adrian Broner fight

How was Burns a coward when he was strugglying to make weight and then he moved up to fight Katsidis who is a known powerpuncher and established at the weight. Not a lot of people gave Burns a chance, myself included because the fight was a risk which has paid off for Burns.

Burns was suppose to face Broner before he pulled out of there fight. But requested and was granted the opportunity to make an optional defense. Because everybody knows he just needed to fight Nicky Cook. After the Cook charade he's forced to face his mandatory. Which is Broner. Everything is set. The date and venue are set. HBO is ready. Broner is ready. Than just weeks from the fight Burns pulls out to take a fight with Katsidis. A fighter who not only had lost 2 of his last 3. But was dominated in those 2 losses. How is that not a coward move?

Your not Ricky Burns though and he said he couldn't peform as well at 130 and yeah taking on Broner would have been a tougher fight and if Burns would have lost which was likely he would not be in the position he is now. I don't see it as cowardly I saw that move as smart...he could do better at 135 because he struggled making weight and as I said before Katsidis was expected to roll over Burns because Katsidis was suppose to be better than Burns. Katsidis lost to Marquez who just beat Manny IMO and Guerrero who's the man to beat at 135, no shame in that. Katsidis has shown us Brits what he is capable in the past e.g. Mitchell and Earl and any British fan knows he is a powerful fighter for Burns and a true step up in class. That win is leading on for Burns to become a 2 weight world Champion ( I know his record isn't strong) however he's still nearly a two weight champion.

So in my eyes that wasn't a cowardly move it was a tactical risk that is going to pay off because Burns will get more pay days now, if he fought Broner maybe he would not get the opportunity he's got now. Now that's a smart move IMO. Put yourself in Burns' shoes if you were him and had his ability you would have done the same...why? Because it was the most sensible move as he has proven.

First of all I don't remember Burns ever complaining he had trouble making weight. But so be it. If that was the case than why agree to the fight in the first place (The date and venue were set. HBO had announced the fight. So there was no doubt he agreed to the fight)? He even said it himself he was gonna fight his mandatory next after beating Cook.

When the fight was first announced everybody knew Broner was gonna fight one more time before facing Burns. I don't think it's a coincidence that Burns all of a sudden developed a problem making weight after watching Adrien Broner destroy Jason Litzau in less than a round

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2057255/Ricky-Burns-Im-hungry-Michael-Katsidis.htm

Look I'm not just making it up he did say that he had trouble making weight for his last couple of fights and as I said before why risk giving such a good fighter like Broner an advantage over himself. Burns needs to be as tactical as possible with his career because one major step back could be his last pay day. Broner more than likely would have knocked him out, however Burns did know that and did the most sensible option in move up in weight. But he did this due to him not feeling comfortable at the weight which is a legitimate excuse when your fight a p4p future prospect like Broner.

However, I don't see how you can call him a coward because making your 135 debut against a proven puncher at the weight and many people expected Katsidis to knock Burns out. It was a risky fight for Burns who had never been in with anybody on Katsidis level and look what he did, he boxed really well and beat Katsidis. How is that cowardly? It was by far the best decision that Burns made in his career and if i don't know how you can't see that from his point of view.

[Violent Demise]

ricky burns is nowhere near a great fightet. Lmfao

Kevin Mitchell will win a title as long as ricky bums grows a pair to fight him.


Ricky.burns is just a solid B level guy.

Burns has never made any claims to greatness and has fought everyone put in front of him.
I do not believe his bravery can be questioned. Mitchell is a great fighter but his failure to capitalise on his win over Murray is not Burns fault, he needs to keep to his probation conditions.
Burns has only just moved into Mitchell's Weight class so he has actually shown more balls by moving up in weight.
Burns proved his credentials against Martinez and consolidated his not inconsiderable cojones by choosing to fight Katsidis and then beating him.
Burns may not be A great, but he is a great fighter.

He displayed pure cowardice when he coward out of the Adrian Broner fight

How was Burns a coward when he was strugglying to make weight and then he moved up to fight Katsidis who is a known powerpuncher and established at the weight. Not a lot of people gave Burns a chance, myself included because the fight was a risk which has paid off for Burns.

Burns was suppose to face Broner before he pulled out of there fight. But requested and was granted the opportunity to make an optional defense. Because everybody knows he just needed to fight Nicky Cook. After the Cook charade he's forced to face his mandatory. Which is Broner. Everything is set. The date and venue are set. HBO is ready. Broner is ready. Than just weeks from the fight Burns pulls out to take a fight with Katsidis. A fighter who not only had lost 2 of his last 3. But was dominated in those 2 losses. How is that not a coward move?

Your not Ricky Burns though and he said he couldn't peform as well at 130 and yeah taking on Broner would have been a tougher fight and if Burns would have lost which was likely he would not be in the position he is now. I don't see it as cowardly I saw that move as smart...he could do better at 135 because he struggled making weight and as I said before Katsidis was expected to roll over Burns because Katsidis was suppose to be better than Burns. Katsidis lost to Marquez who just beat Manny IMO and Guerrero who's the man to beat at 135, no shame in that. Katsidis has shown us Brits what he is capable in the past e.g. Mitchell and Earl and any British fan knows he is a powerful fighter for Burns and a true step up in class. That win is leading on for Burns to become a 2 weight world Champion ( I know his record isn't strong) however he's still nearly a two weight champion.

So in my eyes that wasn't a cowardly move it was a tactical risk that is going to pay off because Burns will get more pay days now, if he fought Broner maybe he would not get the opportunity he's got now. Now that's a smart move IMO. Put yourself in Burns' shoes if you were him and had his ability you would have done the same...why? Because it was the most sensible move as he has proven.

First of all I don't remember Burns ever complaining he had trouble making weight. But so be it. If that was the case than why agree to the fight in the first place (The date and venue were set. HBO had announced the fight. So there was no doubt he agreed to the fight)? He even said it himself he was gonna fight his mandatory next after beating Cook.

When the fight was first announced everybody knew Broner was gonna fight one more time before facing Burns. I don't think it's a coincidence that Burns all of a sudden developed a problem making weight after watching Adrien Broner destroy Jason Litzau in less than a round

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...l-Katsidis.htm

Look I'm not just making it up he did say that he had trouble making weight for his last couple of fights and as I said before why risk giving such a good fighter like Broner an advantage over himself. Burns needs to be as tactical as possible with his career because one major step back could be his last pay day. Broner more than likely would have knocked him out, however Burns did know that and did the most sensible option in move up in weight. But he did this due to him not feeling comfortable at the weight which is a legitimate excuse when your fight a p4p future prospect like Broner.

However, I don't see how you can call him a coward because making your 135 debut against a proven puncher at the weight and many people expected Katsidis to knock Burns out. It was a risky fight for Burns who had never been in with anybody on Katsidis level and look what he did, he boxed really well and beat Katsidis. How is that cowardly? It was by far the best decision that Burns made in his career and if i don't know how you can't see that from his point of view.

Than it goes back to the question I been asking. Why accept the fight in the first place? Why wait till after Broner-Litzau to pull out? Keep in mind I'm not the only one who feels Burns ducked Broner. Perception is everything in Boxing. It's not about what it is. It's about what it looks like.
And the timing of his decisions made him look real bad

[FinitoElDinamita]

Ricky burns did run from broner and the weight was more like a built-in excuse.

It's no coincidence that he had a change of heart shortly after seeing litzau get destroyed. Bums was shaken and found a way out.


Burns is on that john molina level. Guys like hank lundy would hurt him severely.

[Tam Seddon]

[QUOTE=Violent Demise;1040253]

ricky burns is nowhere near a great fightet. Lmfao

Kevin Mitchell will win a title as long as ricky bums grows a pair to fight him.


Ricky.burns is just a solid B level guy.

Burns has never made any claims to greatness and has fought everyone put in front of him.
I do not believe his bravery can be questioned. Mitchell is a great fighter but his failure to capitalise on his win over Murray is not Burns fault, he needs to keep to his probation conditions.
Burns has only just moved into Mitchell's Weight class so he has actually shown more balls by moving up in weight.
Burns proved his credentials against Martinez and consolidated his not inconsiderable cojones by choosing to fight Katsidis and then beating him.
Burns may not be A great, but he is a great fighter.

He displayed pure cowardice when he coward out of the Adrian Broner fight

How was Burns a coward when he was strugglying to make weight and then he moved up to fight Katsidis who is a known powerpuncher and established at the weight. Not a lot of people gave Burns a chance, myself included because the fight was a risk which has paid off for Burns.

Burns was suppose to face Broner before he pulled out of there fight. But requested and was granted the opportunity to make an optional defense. Because everybody knows he just needed to fight Nicky Cook. After the Cook charade he's forced to face his mandatory. Which is Broner. Everything is set. The date and venue are set. HBO is ready. Broner is ready. Than just weeks from the fight Burns pulls out to take a fight with Katsidis. A fighter who not only had lost 2 of his last 3. But was dominated in those 2 losses. How is that not a coward move?

Your not Ricky Burns though and he said he couldn't peform as well at 130 and yeah taking on Broner would have been a tougher fight and if Burns would have lost which was likely he would not be in the position he is now. I don't see it as cowardly I saw that move as smart...he could do better at 135 because he struggled making weight and as I said before Katsidis was expected to roll over Burns because Katsidis was suppose to be better than Burns. Katsidis lost to Marquez who just beat Manny IMO and Guerrero who's the man to beat at 135, no shame in that. Katsidis has shown us Brits what he is capable in the past e.g. Mitchell and Earl and any British fan knows he is a powerful fighter for Burns and a true step up in class. That win is leading on for Burns to become a 2 weight world Champion ( I know his record isn't strong) however he's still nearly a two weight champion.

So in my eyes that wasn't a cowardly move it was a tactical risk that is going to pay off because Burns will get more pay days now, if he fought Broner maybe he would not get the opportunity he's got now. Now that's a smart move IMO. Put yourself in Burns' shoes if you were him and had his ability you would have done the same...why? Because it was the most sensible move as he has proven.

First of all I don't remember Burns ever complaining he had trouble making weight. But so be it. If that was the case than why agree to the fight in the first place (The date and venue were set. HBO had announced the fight. So there was no doubt he agreed to the fight)? He even said it himself he was gonna fight his mandatory next after beating Cook.

When the fight was first announced everybody knew Broner was gonna fight one more time before facing Burns. I don't think it's a coincidence that Burns all of a sudden developed a problem making weight after watching Adrien Broner destroy Jason Litzau in less than a round

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...l-Katsidis.htm

Look I'm not just making it up he did say that he had trouble making weight for his last couple of fights and as I said before why risk giving such a good fighter like Broner an advantage over himself. Burns needs to be as tactical as possible with his career because one major step back could be his last pay day. Broner more than likely would have knocked him out, however Burns did know that and did the most sensible option in move up in weight. But he did this due to him not feeling comfortable at the weight which is a legitimate excuse when your fight a p4p future prospect like Broner.

However, I don't see how you can call him a coward because making your 135 debut against a proven puncher at the weight and many people expected Katsidis to knock Burns out. It was a risky fight for Burns who had never been in with anybody on Katsidis level and look what he did, he boxed really well and beat Katsidis. How is that cowardly? It was by far the best decision that Burns made in his career and if i don't know how you can't see that from his point of view.

Than it goes back to the question I been asking. Why accept the fight in the first place? Why wait till after Broner-Litzau to pull out? Keep in mind I'm not the only one who feels Burns ducked Broner. Perception is everything in Boxing. It's not about what it is. It's about what it looks like.
And the timing of his decisions made him look real bad[/QUOTE

I do understand what you mean that he did more than likely look for the legitimate way out of saving his career. so moving up in weight and taking the easier option in fighting Katsidis is this the 'cowards way out' ?why punish yourself at the weight to have a title defence against a p4p future fighter and ruin your whole career with a one off not so big pay day? I do have to agree that was a sher cowardly move, and Burns isn't seeking the benefits from it at all.