Marlon Brando on Jews and Native Indians

[Gandalf]

The point I am making though is that you can be a successful economy without imposing your military or economic blackmail upon others. Switzerland in particular is a very successful economy. You don't have Switzerland murdering people on independent soil nor hear of them carrying out programs of rendition or ordering indefinite incarceration or opening prison camps offshore to torture people. Those actions are what tyrannical states do. Normal states don't do that kind of thing. Britain is very much complicit with a lot of what the US has been doing and so they deserve fire and brimstone too.

[El Kabong]

The point I am making though is that you can be a successful economy without imposing your military or economic blackmail upon others. Switzerland in particular is a very successful economy. You don't have Switzerland murdering people on independent soil nor hear of them carrying out programs of rendition or ordering indefinite incarceration or opening prison camps offshore to torture people. Those actions are what tyrannical states do. Normal states don't do that kind of thing. Britain is very much complicit with a lot of what the US has been doing and so they deserve fire and brimstone too.

Really The Swiss do not use their ill gotten wealth to their benefit? Do you raise them up that highly miles?

Politics are politics no matter what flag you're under...in this matter I must say you've shown yourself to be either blindly idealistic or simply niave

[Mars_ax]

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

[Gandalf]

The point I am making though is that you can be a successful economy without imposing your military or economic blackmail upon others. Switzerland in particular is a very successful economy. You don't have Switzerland murdering people on independent soil nor hear of them carrying out programs of rendition or ordering indefinite incarceration or opening prison camps offshore to torture people. Those actions are what tyrannical states do. Normal states don't do that kind of thing. Britain is very much complicit with a lot of what the US has been doing and so they deserve fire and brimstone too.

Really The Swiss do not use their ill gotten wealth to their benefit? Do you raise them up that highly miles?

Politics are politics no matter what flag you're under...in this matter I must say you've shown yourself to be either blindly idealistic or simply niave

Yes, I do actually.

The Swiss make most of their money from manufacturing, Lyle. They manufacture industrial chemicals and machinery which is why their products are not all that noticeable, but they are very significant.

Switzerland is an extremely successful economy, the people enjoy a high standard of living and the state is largely neutral.

[Gandalf]

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

[El Kabong]

Yes, I do actually.

The Swiss make most of their money from manufacturing, Lyle. They manufacture industrial chemicals and machinery which is why their products are not all that noticeable, but they are very significant.

Switzerland is an extremely successful economy, the people enjoy a high standard of living and the state is largely neutral.

And what of their banks? The financial sector of Switzerland comprised 11.6% of their GDP and banking represents about 5.6% of the entire workforce of that nation.


Good on them for actually putting their people to work unlike the majority of Europe who would rather tax the hell out of everyone to supply the worthless barnacles collecting welfare

[Gandalf]

Yes, I do actually.

The Swiss make most of their money from manufacturing, Lyle. They manufacture industrial chemicals and machinery which is why their products are not all that noticeable, but they are very significant.

Switzerland is an extremely successful economy, the people enjoy a high standard of living and the state is largely neutral.

And what of their banks? The financial sector of Switzerland comprised 11.6% of their GDP and banking represents about 5.6% of the entire workforce of that nation.


Good on them for actually putting their people to work unlike the majority of Europe who would rather tax the hell out of everyone to supply the worthless barnacles collecting welfare

The banking sector is something I am less comfortable with, but having said that, if they are being a positive attribute overall I don't have an issue with them. They are private corporations, my beef with banks is only when they start knocking on state doors. The rumours of black market banking is what it is, but banking is only part of the economy and illegal banking would only be a fraction of that. Plus Switzerland is evolving its banking practices.

It's a healthy country and does very well with a population of 7 million.

[El Kabong]

Oh, so you are alright with the Swiss banks remaining neutral during World War II and then keeping wealth that was stolen from the Jews that were killed in the Holocaust?

[Mars_ax]

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

You wouldn't know a "fact" about America if it jumped up and bit you on your ignorant ass.

I don't know if you just like being an attention seeking asshole, or pissing on America et al, but i'm not going to read any more of your idiocy, you need to find a new game dude.

[Gandalf]

Oh, so you are alright with the Swiss banks remaining neutral during World War II and then keeping wealth that was stolen from the Jews that were killed in the Holocaust?

They are private corporations, Lyle. Am I alright with private corporations stealing money? No, I am not. And private corporations have done that a lot in your country recently and in many countries.

Am I impressed with the nation of Switzerland in terms of its economic development, it standards of living, its ability to own guns without killing one another and its ability to be neutral and not interfere? Totally. It is a highly developed nation.

How can an American criticize Swiss banks anyway?! Hahaha, what a joke!

[Gandalf]

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

You wouldn't know a "fact" about America if it jumped up and bit you on your ignorant ass.

I don't know if you just like being an attention seeking asshole, or pissing on America et al, but i'm not going to read any more of your idiocy, you need to find a new game dude.

I wouldn't know a fact? All you have done is say that I don't know and then come up with a bunch of childish insults. Where are your facts? You obviously learned a lot in your prejudiced textbooks.

I argue what I do because I know it to be true. I started this thread for a little fun because I didn't know Brando had a similar mindset to me and I knew it would stir a little and lo and behold I have Americans getting all upset over it. Tbh, I don't know why it is so distressing for people like you. You get so angry and upset and it is just facts and history.

It bewilders me why you haven't learned to accept history for what it is. You stole land, you killed the natives and then got rich off of the rest of the world trying to kill each other and then started to try and impose yourself on the world and here we are with illegal wars and economic pillage.

[ono]

He's on about Jaws, not Jews. Trust me.

[Gandalf]

Haha, that is very funny.

But scarily, I see he's back at the bottom posting new insults.

[Mars_ax]

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

You wouldn't know a "fact" about America if it jumped up and bit you on your ignorant ass.

I don't know if you just like being an attention seeking asshole, or pissing on America et al, but i'm not going to read any more of your idiocy, you need to find a new game dude.

I wouldn't know a fact? All you have done is say that I don't know and then come up with a bunch of childish insults. Where are your facts? You obviously learned a lot in your prejudiced textbooks.

I argue what I do because I know it to be true. I started this thread for a little fun because I didn't know Brando had a similar mindset to me and I knew it would stir a little and lo and behold I have Americans getting all upset over it. Tbh, I don't know why it is so distressing for people like you. You get so angry and upset and it is just facts and history.

It bewilders me why you haven't learned to accept history for what it is. You stole land, you killed the natives and then got rich off of the rest of the world trying to kill each other and then started to try and impose yourself on the world and here we are with illegal wars and economic pillage.

Unlike your condescending semi-retarded ass, I learned most of what I know about America from actually growing up and living here. What's obvious is, you don't know shit, but believe every negative thing you've ever read about this country.

BTW, you dumb fuck, I stole land, and I killed the natives? Do you realize how utterly moronic you are?
Seriously man, who the fuck are you?

[Gandalf]

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

You wouldn't know a "fact" about America if it jumped up and bit you on your ignorant ass.

I don't know if you just like being an attention seeking asshole, or pissing on America et al, but i'm not going to read any more of your idiocy, you need to find a new game dude.

I wouldn't know a fact? All you have done is say that I don't know and then come up with a bunch of childish insults. Where are your facts? You obviously learned a lot in your prejudiced textbooks.

I argue what I do because I know it to be true. I started this thread for a little fun because I didn't know Brando had a similar mindset to me and I knew it would stir a little and lo and behold I have Americans getting all upset over it. Tbh, I don't know why it is so distressing for people like you. You get so angry and upset and it is just facts and history.

It bewilders me why you haven't learned to accept history for what it is. You stole land, you killed the natives and then got rich off of the rest of the world trying to kill each other and then started to try and impose yourself on the world and here we are with illegal wars and economic pillage.

Unlike your condescending semi-retarded ass, I learned most of what I know about America from actually growing up and living here. What's obvious is, you don't know shit, but believe every negative thing you've ever read about this country.

BTW, you dumb fuck, I stole land, and I killed the natives? Do you realize how utterly moronic you are?
Seriously man, who the fuck are you?

You are beyond stupid.

So you didn't wipe out the Indians? Shall we go through this a fact at a time?