Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[erics44]

Ok sure, you win! You have totally owned me with your argument against the facts I present by palming them off as bitterness. You definitely win..

ha, so the facts are that (1) JC fought Manfredo in his 43rd fight and (2) people tend to be biast towards fighters from their own country - and these facts mean that Hopkins beat Calzaghe and Calzaghe is rubbish?

[Pugilistic]

Because i'm bored, i am going to give this fight another watch just now and i will post my scorecard afterwards.

[Pugilistic]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

[Dia bando]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

You forgot one thing,your score card or my score card,don't count for much,Calzaghe still the winner take it on the chin the better Man won, weather you like it or not.?

[erics44]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

just watch the 6th and 10th

calzaghe won the 6th, hopkins spent most of his time walking forward head down and then holding, calzaghe landed all the punches

the 10th is close, calzaghe still landed more, hopkins spent a lot of the round rolling around the floor, i think to award it to hopkins is harsh but i can accept it

[Dia bando]

What this fight,come's down too are you a Calzaghe fan or a Hopkins fan, in this fight the judge's made
Calzaghe the winner.?Not unlike the Hagler v SRL, fight which you have to say people still bitch about
we all have a opinion,it's the judge's that count.? So when your fighter get's beat take it on the chin this
include's myself.

[Pugilistic]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

You forgot one thing,your score card or my score card,don't count for much,Calzaghe still the winner take it on the chin the better Man won, weather you like it or not.?

I have no problem with Calzaghe winning.

It was a close fight with tough rounds to score majority of the fight.

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

just watch the 6th and 10th

calzaghe won the 6th, hopkins spent most of his time walking forward head down and then holding, calzaghe landed all the punches

the 10th is close, calzaghe still landed more, hopkins spent a lot of the round rolling around the floor, i think to award it to hopkins is harsh but i can accept it

I rewatched the 6th round and it was a close one but Hopkins was able to land the cleaner shots again.

I recall him landing some good body shots early, good left hook off the ropes, nice right hand leads to body and head and a few solid jabs.

Joe was able to land a good straight left early in the round and the occassional jab throughout the round but his punches for the most part were ineffective or missing.

The 10th round was a clearish round for Hopkins.

You can't take the round away from Hopkins because he exaggerated a low blow. If you score the round based on the scoring criteria, you and most should score that round for Bhop.

After Hopkins got his rest, he was able to pop Joe with good shots the rest of the round.

[Dia bando]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

You forgot one thing,your score card or my score card,don't count for much,Calzaghe still the winner take it on the chin the better Man won, weather you like it or not.?

I have no problem with Calzaghe winning.

It was a close fight with tough rounds to score majority of the fight.

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

just watch the 6th and 10th

calzaghe won the 6th, hopkins spent most of his time walking forward head down and then holding, calzaghe landed all the punches

the 10th is close, calzaghe still landed more, hopkins spent a lot of the round rolling around the floor, i think to award it to hopkins is harsh but i can accept it

I rewatched the 6th round and it was a close one but Hopkins was able to land the cleaner shots again.

I recall him landing some good body shots early, good left hook off the ropes, nice right hand leads to body and head and a few solid jabs.

Joe was able to land a good straight left early in the round and the occassional jab throughout the round but his punches for the most part were ineffective or missing.

The 10th round was a clearish round for Hopkins.

You can't take the round away from Hopkins because he exaggerated a low blow. If you score the round based on the scoring criteria, you and most should score that round for Bhop.

After Hopkins got his rest, he was able to pop Joe with good shots the rest of the round.

I have seen the fight no end of time's, to be honest Hopkins could have lost point's in a few round's
lot's of holding and hitting blind side of the ref, using his head,it's the way he fight's.
I no you are a fan of his but he doe's fight and win ugly, on this occasion he lost, I will give you that he is one hard SOB to beat.? he is a Marmite fighter to people love him or hate him.?

[Pugilistic]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

You forgot one thing,your score card or my score card,don't count for much,Calzaghe still the winner take it on the chin the better Man won, weather you like it or not.?

I have no problem with Calzaghe winning.

It was a close fight with tough rounds to score majority of the fight.

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

just watch the 6th and 10th

calzaghe won the 6th, hopkins spent most of his time walking forward head down and then holding, calzaghe landed all the punches

the 10th is close, calzaghe still landed more, hopkins spent a lot of the round rolling around the floor, i think to award it to hopkins is harsh but i can accept it

I rewatched the 6th round and it was a close one but Hopkins was able to land the cleaner shots again.

I recall him landing some good body shots early, good left hook off the ropes, nice right hand leads to body and head and a few solid jabs.

Joe was able to land a good straight left early in the round and the occassional jab throughout the round but his punches for the most part were ineffective or missing.

The 10th round was a clearish round for Hopkins.

You can't take the round away from Hopkins because he exaggerated a low blow. If you score the round based on the scoring criteria, you and most should score that round for Bhop.

After Hopkins got his rest, he was able to pop Joe with good shots the rest of the round.

I have seen the fight no end of time's, to be honest Hopkins could have lost point's in a few round's
lot's of holding and hitting blind side of the ref, using his head,it's the way he fight's.
I no you are a fan of his but he doe's fight and win ugly, on this occasion he lost, I will give you that he is one hard SOB to beat.? he is a Marmite fighter to people love him or hate him.?

Hopkins doesn't always rely on dirty tactics, like his two fights against Pascal, Pavlik, Tarver, etc.

Hopkins did nothing in the Calzaghe fight that was worth a point deduction. There was clinches and a few headbutts but nothing too excessive.

Hopkins lost the fight yes, but he was not beaten decisively no matter which way you Calzaghe fans try to twist it.

Calzaghe is allowed to be in close fights right ?

[Dia bando]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

You forgot one thing,your score card or my score card,don't count for much,Calzaghe still the winner take it on the chin the better Man won, weather you like it or not.?

I have no problem with Calzaghe winning.

It was a close fight with tough rounds to score majority of the fight.

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

just watch the 6th and 10th

calzaghe won the 6th, hopkins spent most of his time walking forward head down and then holding, calzaghe landed all the punches

the 10th is close, calzaghe still landed more, hopkins spent a lot of the round rolling around the floor, i think to award it to hopkins is harsh but i can accept it

I rewatched the 6th round and it was a close one but Hopkins was able to land the cleaner shots again.

I recall him landing some good body shots early, good left hook off the ropes, nice right hand leads to body and head and a few solid jabs.

Joe was able to land a good straight left early in the round and the occassional jab throughout the round but his punches for the most part were ineffective or missing.

The 10th round was a clearish round for Hopkins.

You can't take the round away from Hopkins because he exaggerated a low blow. If you score the round based on the scoring criteria, you and most should score that round for Bhop.

After Hopkins got his rest, he was able to pop Joe with good shots the rest of the round.

I have seen the fight no end of time's, to be honest Hopkins could have lost point's in a few round's
lot's of holding and hitting blind side of the ref, using his head,it's the way he fight's.
I no you are a fan of his but he doe's fight and win ugly, on this occasion he lost, I will give you that he is one hard SOB to beat.? he is a Marmite fighter to people love him or hate him.?

Hopkins doesn't always rely on dirty tactics, like his two fights against Pascal, Pavlik, Tarver, etc.

Hopkins did nothing in the Calzaghe fight that was worth a point deduction. There was clinches and a few headbutts but nothing too excessive.

Hopkins lost the fight yes, but he was not beaten decisively no matter which way you Calzaghe fans try to twist it.

Calzaghe is allowed to be in close fights right ?

All fighter's are allowed to be in close fight's including Calzaghe ,

[redbaron]

I have to say that our opinions of the fight are as valuable as the judges, mainly because judges aren't really any more qualified to judge a fight than we are. Yes, the judges are responsible for the result, but they really aren't all that good a lot of the time. Calzaghe was a good fighter, but not a great one. He fought subpar fighters for most of his career except the last part of it. He did not have a good chin, as evidenced by his being knocked down by a washed-up Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins (who doesn't usually knock anyone down). He did rebound very nicely against Hopkins, but a lot of his punches were half-ass. Bernard landed the better shots all night, which is why I gave him the win.

[erics44]

I have to say that our opinions of the fight are as valuable as the judges, mainly because judges aren't really any more qualified to judge a fight than we are. Yes, the judges are responsible for the result, but they really aren't all that good a lot of the time. Calzaghe was a good fighter, but not a great one. He fought subpar fighters for most of his career except the last part of it. He did not have a good chin, as evidenced by his being knocked down by a washed-up Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins (who doesn't usually knock anyone down). He did rebound very nicely against Hopkins, but a lot of his punches were half-ass. Bernard landed the better shots all night, which is why I gave him the win.

troll

[Althugz]

I have to say that our opinions of the fight are as valuable as the judges, mainly because judges aren't really any more qualified to judge a fight than we are. Yes, the judges are responsible for the result, but they really aren't all that good a lot of the time. Calzaghe was a good fighter, but not a great one. He fought subpar fighters for most of his career except the last part of it. He did not have a good chin, as evidenced by his being knocked down by a washed-up Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins (who doesn't usually knock anyone down). He did rebound very nicely against Hopkins, but a lot of his punches were half-ass. Bernard landed the better shots all night, which is why I gave him the win.

Welcome to the forum buddy *hugs*

Always good to have another real boxing fan on Saddo

[Dia bando]

I have to say that our opinions of the fight are as valuable as the judges, mainly because judges aren't really any more qualified to judge a fight than we are. Yes, the judges are responsible for the result, but they really aren't all that good a lot of the time. Calzaghe was a good fighter, but not a great one. He fought subpar fighters for most of his career except the last part of it. He did not have a good chin, as evidenced by his being knocked down by a washed-up Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins (who doesn't usually knock anyone down). He did rebound very nicely against Hopkins, but a lot of his punches were half-ass. Bernard landed the better shots all night, which is why I gave him the win.

Welcome to the forum buddy *hugs*

Always good to have another real boxing fan on Saddo

Undefeated Undisputed World Champion Joe Calzaghe,it seem's it make's you 2 feel like
I no he's great fighter.?

[Althugz]

Bando, I've really learnt to love you over the past few weeks. I don't know what I'd do one day if I arrived here and didn't see your question mark ending sentences (even when you're not asking a question)

*hugs*

Plus you know me so well. Any talk of JC being "great" does indeed induce a feeling of nausea in me.