Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[Violent Demise]

Obviously I read your post 10 days ago denise and only got the courage to reply now. You're so important that I had to spend 10 days getting fired up to deal with you...

Also Calzaghe didn't rematch Hopkins cos he knew he'd lose.

You must be psychic Venereal... You can clearly look deep into a man and see what he is thinking.



(did you ever think calzaghe might think he won clear enough? Shocking idea I know!)

Than Calzaghe's even dumber than you. That or the crack must of fucked up his brain. The man gets dropped. Hurt. Clearly loses at least 4 rounds without question. Escapes with a SD gift. Yet he considers that a clear win? And i'm sure you agree with him

[AdamGB]

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

[Althugz]

As for the hypothetical rematch? Pretty simple. There's a reason Hopkins pushed and pushed for a rematch. And while Calzaghe didn't.

Most retarded thing I have ever heard you say. Hopkins didn't get the W and joe did... Of course he wanted a rematch more.

It's not even about who won or loss stupid. It's about leaving no doubt. Regardless of who got the win, it was a close fight. Whoever says otherwise is either stupid like you or can't fucking score. Considering Calzaghe had nobody else of note to fight he should of took the rematch and removed all doubt. Like champions do. You think Mayweather needed to rematch Jose Luis Castillo? No. He was already set to move up. But he decided to remove all doubt. Everybody knew De La Hoya was better than Chavez when they finally metal. But the ending to there first fight didn't quiet Chavez. So he removed all doubt. It's what champions do. But not everybody is built like that. Some fighters know in there heart they got a lucky win and would do every thing they can to avoid a rematch. Hatton-Collazo is great example. Lennox Lewis did to Vitali. Calzaghe has history doing it. He claimed he didn't do rematches to avoid a facing Robin Reid again. Years later the coward rematches Mario Veit. There was unfinished bisness in the Hopkins fight that should of been addressed. But they weren't. Why? Cuz Cokezaghe knew in his heart he got a gift.

There is nothing in there that anyone can actually argue with - Calzaghe makes my blood boil with his bullshit. How anyone can be proud to defend this "champion" is beyond me. Can we let this thread die now? Calzaghe is getting more attention in this thread than he did in his entire luke-warm career. There's a reason Calzaghe bitched and moaned about not being popular when he was active..because he sucked. The public weren't fooled by his deluded arrogance.

[Violent Demise]

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

[erics44]

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

Thing is youre still behind on the score cards in this one big man

You might be a bit more "in the running" if you didnt keep saying how you only deal with the facts and then say how hurt Calzaghe was through out the fight - which ever way you think the fight went neither man was visibly hurt at any time

[AdamGB]

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

What a complete and utter retard... I'm not talking about whether hopkins is in shape compared to other 40 year olds. What does that have to do with this fight?! He wasn't busy enough in the fight... Hence he lost. Maybe if he'd had a bigger output we'd be having a different discussion - but he didn't.

This is what makes you pointless to talk to, I say Hopkins was lazy in the fight and your sensative little soul thinks I'm saying that he sits on his sofa year rounding eating chips and getting fat. I' talking about his punch output in this fight you complete moron, so save me the rant on how elite he is for his age.

I'm not surprised you want me to explain what a fact is to you, seeing as you consistently struggle to differentiate between fact and opinion.

[Gandalf]

Hopkins punch output was atrocious. That is obvious to anyone and when you are outlanded as much as he was then the fight was no way close. Hopkins was outlanded so badly that he needed to fake lowblows just to get through it.

"Ooh but Hopkins landed 2 clean shots!". Sure, but Calzaghe tapped him 20 times. That is the round to Calzaghe.

[Violent Demise]

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

Thing is youre still behind on the score cards in this one big man

You might be a bit more "in the running" if you didnt keep saying how you only deal with the facts and then say how hurt Calzaghe was through out the fight - which ever way you think the fight went neither man was visibly hurt at any time

Oh you're right. What was I thinking? Calzaghe wasn't hurt when he went down. He was just tying his shoes. And at the end of the 6th round where he staggered backwards after taking a clean shot he wasn't really hurt. He was just working on his 2 step.

[Gandalf]

Yes, again as shocking as it may sound - some people may not agree with your narrow, blinkered way of thinking.

I think if Calzaghe was a natural 154lb fighter and Hopkins wasn't so fucking lazy in that fight he would have pulled out the win. But he didn't, boo hoo

Hopkins didn't have size on his side like he had in his precious big fights and he sure as fuck didn't have youth or workrate. He was a world class spoiler in that fight though and that's what made it so close... Its up to a judge whether they favour spoilibg tactics or not (or whether, like you they simply just dislike brits).

The diving and play acting he did whilst calzaghe arse raped him is proof enough that the pace was just too much for the old man. Oh well, nevermind... Hopkins has done enough since to redeem the loss, I doubt he worries too much about it - you on the on the other hand still seem pathetically butt hurt by it, grow a pair.

Seriously man, I don't think they came any more stupider than you. And believe me that's saying a lot when you got eric's dumb ass posting on the same thread. But I doubt even he would embarrass himself and call Hopkins lazy. It doesn't even matter in what moronic way you meant it, Hopkins and the word lazy don't go together. Unless you gonna tell me you know guys in there mid 40's who are in better shape than most 20 year olds and can compete with boxings elite than you can't call Hopkins lazy. I don't doubt you know a bunch 40 year old men. But I call bullshit if you gonna claim they can compete with boxings elite.

And it doesn't matter what Calzaghe and Hopkins did and didn't do to win and lose there fight. Bottom line is it was a close fight that left a lot of unfinished business which Calzaghe refused to clear up cuz he knew in his heart that he got a gift win. I told you about a million times before. Facts don't fucking lie. Which is why I only deal in facts. You should to. But no. You refuse to accept them? Why? Does your lust for Calzaghe burn that intensively? Do you even know what a fact actually means? Come on. Tell me.

Thing is youre still behind on the score cards in this one big man

You might be a bit more "in the running" if you didnt keep saying how you only deal with the facts and then say how hurt Calzaghe was through out the fight - which ever way you think the fight went neither man was visibly hurt at any time

Oh you're right. What was I thinking? Calzaghe wasn't hurt when he went down. He was just tying his shoes. And at the end of the 6th round where he staggered backwards after taking a clean shot he wasn't really hurt. He was just working on his 2 step.

You really thought he was hurt at the end of the 6th? Kind of reaching a bit there. Off balance and caught sure, but hurt? Don't be silly.

The knock down was what it was though. 10-8, no questions asked.

[erics44]

Oh you're right. What was I thinking? Calzaghe wasn't hurt when he went down. He was just tying his shoes. And at the end of the 6th round where he staggered backwards after taking a clean shot he wasn't really hurt. He was just working on his 2 step.

as he clearly wasnt hurt on either of these occasions this makes your opinion of the whole fight unreliable

[shza]

Hopkins punch output was atrocious. That is obvious to anyone and when you are outlanded as much as he was then the fight was no way close. Hopkins was outlanded so badly that he needed to fake lowblows just to get through it.

"Ooh but Hopkins landed 2 clean shots!". Sure, but Calzaghe tapped him 20 times. That is the round to Calzaghe.

This is why there is no point in even engaging in these arguments with the Calzaghe nuthuggers. Refusing even to acknowledge that a *split decision* "win" in which he was the only one who went down was at a minimum a close fight -- ridiculous.

[Dia bando]

That's what I like a bit of Calzaghe baiting , but is it working no Hopkins talking to Joe,
Hopkins let's fight one more time Joe, OK 60 40 Hopkins not a fucking Word all you
Hopkins fan's your man's full of

[p4pking]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

[erics44]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

[Althugz]

Hopkins punch output was atrocious. That is obvious to anyone and when you are outlanded as much as he was then the fight was no way close. Hopkins was outlanded so badly that he needed to fake lowblows just to get through it.

"Ooh but Hopkins landed 2 clean shots!". Sure, but Calzaghe tapped him 20 times. That is the round to Calzaghe.

This is why there is no point in even engaging in these arguments with the Calzaghe nuthuggers. Refusing even to acknowledge that a *split decision* "win" in which he was the only one who went down was at a minimum a close fight -- ridiculous.

I'm glad someone sees what's going here. It's a fight that is pretty much split 50-50 in opinion amongst fans, yet "anyone who thinks Calzaghe didn't win comfortably" doesn't know what they're talking about...hmmm