Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[p4pking]

Ok? Perfectly valid opinion to hold, I just don't think there were really a "next best umpteen". Calzaghe just flurried at nothing and tried to shoeshine Hopkins for much of the fight imo, and had enough success doing so in many rounds but easily lost others in which Hopkins landed real punches. The fight never really took off partly because the two are so utterly opposite in their approach to boxing. Hopkins has textbook punching form and body control but obviously is extremely conservative in his output and can't fight 12 hard rounds. Calzaghe was the antithesis of this really and operated almost entirely on fitness and athletecism. Sometimes such a clash of styles makes for a great fight, this was not one of those nights and I do put more blame on Hopkins for spoiling, for whatever that's worth.

i also hold the opinion on the fight that had calzaghe not tried so much to make a fight of it (and been a bit more cagey maybe) he wouldnt have been open to the few punches that hopkins did land

i for one think boxing is an entertainment business and i do think you can win fights by being more entertaining (in a boxing sense)

if there is a fight where each fighter lands about the same amount of punches the fighter who is pushing the fight and trying to make the fight interesting should get the nod (obviously this is a general statement and you take fights on a round by round basis)

and judges do see it that way too, take hatton v collazo as a shining example, IMO callazo won that fight quite comfortably but hatton was on the front foot for the majority of the fight and got the nod (even thought collazo wasnt even using spoiling tactics)

in all other sports rules are designed to make the game as entertaining as possible (they are constantly changing the rules of football to try and give us more goals) and boxing is the same

Boxing is also entirely subjective, which most sports aren't for the most part. There will always be shit fights regardless of what rules are in place, although I'm not quite sure what you were alluding to there. Likewise judges will always score fights differently based on what they like, just as we do. You are obviously partial to the aggressor, I almost always root for the guy who is more cagey and seems to move better. I do draw the line somewhere around spoiling though, as far as actually being compelled to watch.

[Dia bando]

The rematch would have been very much the same out come, but this time Joe would have stopped
him, Hopkins can not sustain a fast pace, let's face it in round 10 he was fucked he needed a
rest and that's what he got the cheating shit.
Rolling around the floor like the sugar plum fairy.Joe offered him a rematch 60 40 what was
the answer he said nothing, Bernardo is a money hoer pure and simple Boy's O Yes he is.

[erics44]

Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

[shza]

Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

Amazing how much you can go on about judges and objectivity without so much as acknowledging that one of the three judges scored the fight for Hopkins.

[erics44]

Amazing how much you can go on about judges and objectivity without so much as acknowledging that one of the three judges scored the fight for Hopkins.

youre such a mong

You started with the objectivity bollox - "froch fans are all biast and just can be objective and ward would have beaten all froches opponents easily in their own back yards one after another"

One of the judges scored the fight to hopkins - feel better?

Calzaghe deservedly won the fight

[shza]

Amazing how much you can go on about judges and objectivity without so much as acknowledging that one of the three judges scored the fight for Hopkins.

youre such a mong

You started with the objectivity bollox - "froch fans are all biast and just can be objective and ward would have beaten all froches opponents easily in their own back yards one after another"

One of the judges scored the fight to hopkins - feel better?

Calzaghe deservedly won the fight

I'm not sure what you're referring to, since I never said that. In a completely different thread. Your post on this thread was the one that introduced "objectivity" here and the notion that a win on the cards proves something about Calzaghe deserving to win. (Despite directly contradicting yourself on that same point w/r/t Hatton-Collazo.)

It is, of course, true that Ward would have beaten all of Froch's opponents (the ones he didn't already beat) though, btw.

[erics44]

Point out the post where i mention objectivity

And explain my contradiction

[Violent Demise]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Naa papking thats not what im saying, i dont neccesarily side with the agressor, i take each figh dfferently, as with the hatton collazo fight, hatton was the aggressor and i thought collazo won

What i am saying is boxing is less subjective than you think, judges arent jst told to sit there and make their own mind up there are certain rules they have to apply

Hatton did all the pressing and despite taking more cleaner punches he made the fight more of a spectical and got the decision

P.s. Typing on my ipad makes me illiterate

Trust me. It ain't the ipad

[p4pking]

[CFH]

That is the most intimidating hipster I have ever seen .

[p4pking]

But. he must. really know. boxing right?

[Violent Demise]

Just like I thought he would look.

[AdamGB]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

[Violent Demise]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

[Leighton]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.