Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[AdamGB]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

[Violent Demise]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

[Leighton]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.

[Dia bando]

It was an extremely close fight, and quite a shit one imo. I don't like Calzaghes as a fighter, the fact that Hopkins simply couldn't fight at his pace forced him to spoil endlessly and when I went to rewatch it a while back I just couldn't be bothered after a while. I don't think there's really even all that much to look for, neither guy was doing anything especially effective it just depends which style you find more aesthetically pleasing in the first place.

Not really, this one was down to who landed vastly more punches

Thank you. Might be the smartest thing you ever said. It does indeed come down to who landed more punches. Punches. Not slaps. It's pathetic how so many of y'all claim to know the sport of boxing but fail to realize that Calzaghe's open hand slaps are not legal, scoring blows.

Not to upset you too much but do you really find it confusing that more people support the opinion of the professional judges and referees who have officiated calzaghes years of fights when it comes to scoring blows over the opinion of a basement dwelling internet tough guy with a chip on his shoulder over any fighter from Europe?

You don't even understand the difference between a fact and an opinion... If you can't get simple things right then no wonder nobody listens to you.

You mindless fucking sheep. It doesn't matter who allows and accepts what. The rules are there in plain English and other languages for that matter. They do not fucking change. Slapping with an open hand is not allowed. That's a fact. It's not an opinion, stupid

I see you got a little picture of yourself. Got your little gloves on. Working the bag making it seem like you a fighter. Maybe went to a gym or two. All that trouble and you telling me your moronic ass still doesn't know boxings basic rules? Doesn't surprise me one bit. I swear if you weren't so much fun to laugh at you truly would be useless

Excellent powers of deduction sherlock, you noticed my 'little' picture of my 'little' () gloves and came to the conclusion that I might have visited a gym at some point (like the one I AM STOOD IN?).

'maybe'... Theres no maybe you moron... You've seen the little picture of me stood in a gym but you're still struggling to say with any certainty if I've been to a gym or not? What an idiot.

Next you'll be saying my name is 'maybe' Adam?!?!

I like your way of thinking though. Blindly agree with Violet Denise and you're not a mindless sheep... But disagree with him and you are.

As you may have suspected from my picture using you considerable mind - I have had enough fights and supported enough fighters from my gym to know a thing or two about dealing with officials. Its a bitter pill for you to swallow but if 100s of refs and judges have frequently and consistantly judged his punches as acceptable you may want to let it go. Mayweather (bending below the waist), Hopkins (his head), Jones (using his arm as a wedge) etc all get away with what they can... Why not calzaghe? That's what goes on in the ring... We will never hear you whinge about that though.

You're free to draw what ever conclusions from my 'little picture' you want? I'm a fighter? I'm not? What do I care, I know how I've fought... A random kid with a keyboard changes nothing

Picture is there so people can see who I am, hence I use my real name and not some embarassing, gay made up 12 year old thug name.

We'll never see a picture of you because you think we'd know you're not the hard man you want us to think. But we don't even need a picture to see that.

I only used a picture of myself for about a year before. Probably around the time you were so happy to get them Star Trek pajamas and were rocking that Captain Kirk avatar. Remember that? Not only that but I actually met muthafukkas from this forum in real life. I am who the fuck I say I am. A 29 year old, with 3 sons, his own fucking house, a job that allows him to take home $1,155 a week and seriously sick boxing addiction. While I ain't done everything I wanted, I done alright so far in life. I got things to show. Tell me what you got? You got any kids you proud of? Got your own place to call home? You even got a job? Have you even fucked a women once in your life? My guess is no, no, maybe and no. You have no kids. You still call mommy and daddy house home. You might have a job. But I'm sure it pays you chump change. The thought of the last one is just laughable.

You can't change the subject just to duck the questions all you want. I knew from the start you couldn't back up what you said

I would pay for this arguement on box office. You guys are about even. Its all down to the last insults. And ......... go.

£10 Pound on Adam to win.

[redbaron]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

[erics44]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

[Dia bando]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

In this fight Hopkins, got the knock down he did land may be 4or 5 punches, and that's being kind
in round 10 he was fucked,Calzaghe was getting to him and did he not like it.
He get's a tap in the bollocks, and roll's around the floor like a twat that he is.
As all the record book's will tell Calzaghe, won the fight that's good enough for me no if or but's, you can talk till the cow's come home Calzaghe beat Hopkins

[AdamGB]

Poor

Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why? Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's...

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you.

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed.

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

[Spicoli]

Well, I guess it beats another tired used up Manny vs Mayweather thread

I thought Hopkins had it by a point but no beef with judges call really. I can see case for Joe winning. It wasn't a robbery it was a close fugly match to watch.

That said Joe should have lost a point for trying to boff Hopkins in the arse harder then any punch he threw.

[Violent Demise]

Poor

Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why? Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's...

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you.

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed.

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

Like I said. Nothing but a damn mindless sheep. Can't you for once have your own damn opinion? Stop being a follower for once in that sad, pathetic thing you call a life. It dosn't matter what has been allowed. According to the rules of boxing slapping with an open hand is illegal. That's a fact not an opinion, stupid. Or am I lying? In order to keep you from ducking another question yet again, I'm asking you point blank. Is slapping with an open hand a foul, yes or no? It's not a trick question. And I don't need no lame ass essay on what others think about it. It's a simple yes or no question. Now if your ignorant ass doesn't know than just say so. Trust me it won't shock anybody

I do find it funny how you state that you're so busy and can't be here as much as you want yet still manage to post over 9,000 times.

[AdamGB]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

[Violent Demise]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.




Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

[Leighton]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.




Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

So Summing it up.
Bhop would have won if they would have counted Calzaghes slaps as slaps.
Calzaghe would have won if they counted Calzaghe punches as punches.
There you go. No need to argue any more. Lets all get along and be friends. YAY

[erics44]

nice ledft hand by joe in there

perhaps bernard didnt land all the best punches after all

maybe it looked like he did coz he threw so few

[AdamGB]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.




Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

I see nothing land in the first clip, the second I see 2 on the inside of the glove... the rest are with the scoring area. So clearly Manfredo was robbed and the better man didn't win.

Again I notice your reluctance to mention Hopkin's frequent and blatant fouls, but each to their own I guess.

It's academic really though, I just wanted to see if you'd still push forward with your argument about the several decade long calzaghe conspiracy. I didn't know that the Welsh even ran boxing in UK... let alone Europe or (later on) America. Now I know. You have opened my eyes.