Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

**AdamGB** · 01-24-2012 06:18 PM

Poor

Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why?

Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's...

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you.

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed.

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

**Spicoli** · 01-24-2012 07:34 PM

Well, I guess it beats another tired used up Manny vs Mayweather thread

I thought Hopkins had it by a point but no beef with judges call really. I can see case for Joe winning. It wasn't a robbery it was a close fugly match to watch.

That said Joe should have lost a point for trying to boff Hopkins in the arse harder then any punch he threw.

**Violent Demise** · 01-25-2012 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Poor

Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why?

Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's...

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you.

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed.

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

Like I said. Nothing but a damn mindless sheep. Can't you for once have your own damn opinion? Stop being a follower for once in that sad, pathetic thing you call a life. It dosn't matter what has been allowed. According to the rules of boxing slapping with an open hand is illegal. That's a fact not an opinion, stupid. Or am I lying? In order to keep you from ducking another question yet again, I'm asking you point blank. Is slapping with an open hand a foul, yes or no? It's not a trick question. And I don't need no lame ass essay on what others think about it. It's a simple yes or no question. Now if your ignorant ass doesn't know than just say so. Trust me it won't shock anybody

I do find it funny how you state that you're so busy and can't be here as much as you want yet still manage to post over 9,000 times.

**AdamGB** · 01-26-2012 12:46 AM

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted...

just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again

) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said?

). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.

It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

**Violent Demise** · 01-26-2012 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by AdamGB

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted...

just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again

) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said?

). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.

It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.

Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

**Leighton** · 01-26-2012 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by AdamGB

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted...

just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again

) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said?

). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.

It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.

Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

So Summing it up.
Bhop would have won if they would have counted Calzaghes slaps as slaps.
Calzaghe would have won if they counted Calzaghe punches as punches.
There you go. No need to argue any more. Lets all get along and be friends. YAY

**Dia bando** · 01-26-2012 04:51 PM

I do in joy people tiring to rewrite history, correct me if I am Wrong go onto Boxrec then
put Joe Calzaghe's record up read it,what he beat Hopkins.
I gave simple instruction just in case you are thick or may be gormless or a

. or for those that
may be mental e challenged.

**erics44** · 01-26-2012 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

nice ledft hand by joe in there

perhaps bernard didnt land all the best punches after all

maybe it looked like he did coz he threw so few

**p4pking** · 01-26-2012 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

nice ledft hand by joe in there

perhaps bernard didnt land all the best punches after all

maybe it looked like he did coz he threw so few

Lol, Calzaghe didn't land anything at all in that gif

. That little clip basically demonstrates how the whole fight went, kind of funny.

**erics44** · 01-26-2012 09:23 PM

Left to the ear, bhops head is knocked over to his right shoulder

**AdamGB** · 01-30-2012 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by AdamGB

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted...

just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again

) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said?

). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.

It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.

Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

I see nothing land in the first clip, the second I see 2 on the inside of the glove... the rest are with the scoring area. So clearly Manfredo was robbed and the better man didn't win.

Again I notice your reluctance to mention Hopkin's frequent and blatant fouls, but each to their own I guess.

It's academic really though, I just wanted to see if you'd still push forward with your argument about the several decade long calzaghe conspiracy. I didn't know that the Welsh even ran boxing in UK... let alone Europe or (later on) America. Now I know. You have opened my eyes.

**Violent Demise** · 02-04-2012 04:48 AM