Actually it was MMA fighters going into BOXING
Actually it was MMA fighters going into BOXING
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Once again, kick boxing and UFC are two different sports. You are not allowed to grab the other guys legs in kick boxing. Nor sweep, etc. Im not saying that Vitali could not go to UFC and learn the ground game. He might be quite good once he practices in the sport for a while. The same if a fighter went over to boxing and trained in boxing for a while. Just because a person chooses a particular sport to begin with does not mean they dont have the ability to learn the other sport. It is down to the individual drive and natural abilities weather they are good at the other sport.
Now Vitali would be increadibly lucky to get a punch off before brock gets close. But Brock would get close immidiately and not let him go.
Its like saying a guy like brock could not get a lucky punch off against Vitali. Its a possibility either way but not highly likely.
As far as his kick boxing knowledge goes. He has not done that for many years and I can garentee you that there are better kick boxers and much better grapplers out there than him.
If this was a UFC forum it would be like me coming on there and saying Anderson silva could beat Mayweather because he has done boxing before.
Either sport takes a high level of skill which requires alot of dedication. You cant have done it a while back and expect to beat everone else who are training day in and out all there lives at that particular skill.
I know. And I would give them the same chance of suddenly going over to boxing and winning a fight as I would give a boxer of going over to UFC and winning a fight. Not alot.
Thats how the discussion startded but other people said that a boxer could go to UFC an win but not the other way round. That is why we are at this point.
Boxing is the gentlemanly art of self defense requiring great skill, reflexes and a plan. THE MMA is a mixture of different styles of fighting and feels like a no holds barred style of fighting. Boxing is only hands and the MMA adds moe to your weaponry and you can hit a person more ways than you can in boxing. A boxing match is like playing chess with some opponents and the MMA is the balls to the wall. IT is also brutal and in the years to come, liberal minded bleeding-hearts will be trying to abolish this brand of controlled violence too. Will these wimps ever stop sniveling?
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Yes Sylvia was a fat slob but Ray Mercer is like 50 years old FFS!
Vitali Klitschko would beat down Brock Lesnar....it wouldn't be close. Brock like most dumb wrestlers would stand up, get nailed on the chin and THEN go for the takedown. Only vs Vitali if you get nailed on the chin and he's wearing 4 oz gloves I highly doubt you'll be doing anything other than counting stars.
Vitali vs Overreem might be different as Alistar has a diverse skill set and is virtually the same size as Vitali....doubt he punches as good, btu the kicks and knees would make it tough.
MMA fighters have horrible boxing techniques FACT...bar maybe Jens Pulver who actually boxed a bit, I have yet to see MMA fighters grasp the very basic simple 'Boxing 101' techniques such as throwing a straight punch, keeping your chin down, bringing your hands back to guard, or avoiding punches using something other than "luck".
I don't like MMA, I never will, it's just the next evolution fo Toughman competitions
Brock would probably only get hit if Vitali had the skill to stuff his takedown. It is not an easy thing. You have to make sure you get yourself in the right stance. Anticipate the attack. In the clinch get your underhooks in. Have great balance when the guy grabs your legs. Learn how to avoid sweeps. When on your back learn how to sweep or be able to manouver yourself to wall walk. Or if on your back learn submissions like the triangle choke hold.
Your legs need to have alot of strength to be able to sweep off your back.
If he is on top he will need to posture up correctly and get the punches off without being caught in a submission or getting sweeped etc. A good grapler could do this all day to someone who deos not know the ground game. A good example of this is Nogera. He will pull guard and submit people on his back on purpose. He is passed it now but was in his day, very dangerous.
Now maybe a good boxer has a better chance against a UFC fighter who does not know the ground game.
But there is still alot of different moves for him to avoid. Elbows, Knees. Grappling techniques. We all know the Klits dont like to fight uip close.
I still think you put one fighter into the other sport either way. They will get found out very quickly. If they did not take the time before hand to learn the game of either sport and put in alot of hours. They would not be winning alot of fights.
Lyle like I've said multiple times. Good boxing does not equate to good striking. Similar but technique wise still very different. I get you don't like it and no issue there, entertainment value is subjective but Mercer who even at 50 was much more talented at "boxing" got his ass whipped by Kimbo, who was a joke of MMA fighter and prior to that was famous for bare fisted backyard fights. Not really sure if Klitschko would beat Brock or not. Brock was really only a factor b/c of his shear athleticism and when tested against top MMA HWs was largely found lacking. Regardless the fact that you use Klitch as your example due to his background in kickboxing shows how difficult it would be for a pure boxer to rely on their superior punching ro beat a quality MMA fighter in the octagon.
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