Game of Thrones (spoilers)

[CFH]

awwww....... seems like a group hug is needed in here.

Mayweather is going to knock Cotto out

[Gandalf]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

[CFH]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

Not everything has to be completely serious all the time you know...

[Gandalf]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

Not everything has to be completely serious all the time you know...

I'm all for humour in books. Naked Lunch is hilarious satire. However, I do draw the line at some things. Lord of the rings is the only fantasy I would tolerate and that is because I read it when I was young. Any 31 year old suddenly getting into Harry Potter would be silly. They should be finding richness in literature rather than juvenile thrills all magical and gay. I like games too, but none of that "hocus pocus I will cast a spell on you" madness.

Great writers generally avoid it, though Burroughs got a little weird in his career sometimes. But he was off his head a lot of the time.

[killersheep]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.

[Gandalf]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.

Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.

[Gandalf]

Actually I want to apologize to all the people who are into goblins and dwarf Queens and all of that. People are free to enjoy whatever they like and I just took issue with the daft name and my general perceptions of the fantasy genre. I like The Empire Strikes Back and call myself Gandalf. I should be nice to people liking their fantasy to be a little bit different.

I'm sorry. Bilbo is now going to call me a cunt for posting in response to myself.

[killersheep]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.

Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.

You're such a Gradgrind.

[Gandalf]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.

Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.

You're such a Gradgrind.

I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.

[killersheep]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

So you haven't read the books, have no interest in the books or series as a genre, yet joined in a discussion about it? Slow day at Saddoboxing.

Nope, the title makes me afraid to read. My last post was about great writers and my belief that anything involving goblins and such is seldom the terrain of great writers. Fantasy is fun for oddball kids. Mind you, I am Gandalf, so should probably bugger off to a cave and write an autobiography or something. I'm sure some dude in eyeliner will love it.

You're such a Gradgrind.

I know, and I said sorry. I mean it.

As a point of context "Gradgrind" was my word of the day and I had to use it. It kind of applied to this conversation on a few levels. Thanks for the help bro!

[AdamGB]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant?

Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.

Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?!

If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.

[Gandalf]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant?

Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.

Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?!

If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.

Oh dear. Lord of the rings is mainly read by children for good reason. Yes, there are themes but there are also characters like Tom Bombadil, dwarves and goblins. That stuff is gay and as far as I am aware, pure fantasy land. If you hold that as mighty literature then good for you, but I would much rather read something like 1984 or Crime and Punishment to get my insights into character and overriding 'themes'.

'Fucking genocide'? A strange way to put it IMO. You should probably calm down. Lord of the rings is what it is. It is fun, but hardly the pinnacle of all that is great in literature.

[killersheep]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant?

Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.

Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?!

If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.

Oh dear. Lord of the rings is mainly read by children for good reason. Yes, there are themes but there are also characters like Tom Bombadil, dwarves and goblins. That stuff is gay and as far as I am aware, pure fantasy land. If you hold that as mighty literature then good for you, but I would much rather read something like 1984 or Crime and Punishment to get my insights into character and overriding 'themes'.

'Fucking genocide'? A strange way to put it IMO. You should probably calm down. Lord of the rings is what it is. It is fun, but hardly the pinnacle of all that is great in literature.

You could go with reading a book for fun once in a while.

[killersheep]

I'm about 500 pages into the DwD now, trying to finish before season 2 starts.

[Gandalf]

For me Dostoevsky, Dickens, Orwell and Burroughs are great writers. People who write about dwarves tend not to be great writers. They can concoct fun stories, but I don't regard them as great. That is why Lord of the Rings is great fun for kids. They are fun adventure books, but little more. The aforementioned writers define humanity with its highs and it's lows and offer vivid reflections of society at large. Fantasy books lack that power. You could argue that 1984 is fantasy, but really it is a massive mirror of totalitarian society. I am unlikely to ever come across a talking tree.

Did you completely miss all of the themes in the lord of the rings or are you just ignorant?

Much like game of thrones is inspired by the war of the roses LOTR was based international politics and tolkien's experience in WW2, the mechinisation of war, the decay of society, fucking geonocide to name but a few.

Edit: am I really explaining lotr to 'gandalf'?!

If you actually read the books it seems like you missed a lot.

Oh dear. Lord of the rings is mainly read by children for good reason. Yes, there are themes but there are also characters like Tom Bombadil, dwarves and goblins. That stuff is gay and as far as I am aware, pure fantasy land. If you hold that as mighty literature then good for you, but I would much rather read something like 1984 or Crime and Punishment to get my insights into character and overriding 'themes'.

'Fucking genocide'? A strange way to put it IMO. You should probably calm down. Lord of the rings is what it is. It is fun, but hardly the pinnacle of all that is great in literature.

You could go with reading a book for fun once in a while.

I did, that's why I decided to become a Jack the Ripper expert!

Lord of the Rings is fun enough and I have no qualms with people enjoying it. I just don't regard it as masterful literature.