How Ali could take Foremans shots but not Frazıers so well?

[ross]

Physically there is nothing you can train for to take a beating, but if you have the frame of mind and are mentally strong you can achieve any thing.

Yeah alot of it is you have to be stubborn and not give up but you wont take those punches if your unfit.

[Mars_ax]

Physically there is nothing you can train for to take a beating, but if you have the frame of mind and are mentally strong you can achieve any thing.

Yeah alot of it is you have to be stubborn and not give up but you wont take those punches if your unfit.

Ali was still 32 years old when this fight with Foreman took place in 1973, and he looked to be in great shape.
Ali fought a brilliant fight, but I still believe that Foreman gave the fight away, had he paced himself better we would have seen a different result. That was the problem George had no concept of pacing himself and fell right into Ali's trap.

[Master]

Physically there is nothing you can train for to take a beating, but if you have the frame of mind and are mentally strong you can achieve any thing.

Yeah alot of it is you have to be stubborn and not give up but you wont take those punches if your unfit.

Ali was still 32 years old when this fight with Foreman took place in 1973, and he looked to be in great shape.
Ali fought a brilliant fight, but I still believe that Foreman gave the fight away, had he paced himself better we would have seen a different result. That was the problem George had no concept of pacing himself and fell right into Ali's trap.

George said the same thing, he said he would have just used his jab more and won the fight on points if he had too.

[El Kabong]

I would argue that it was a matter of simple momentum...Frazier snapped his left hook, George rared back and launched his...it could be a matter of Ali being better able to time George's shots, but what does that then say about Frazier who 2 of the 3 times Ali fought him was a 1 armed fighter. Smokin' Joe ONLY had the left hook so Ali and everyone else knew where the power was coming from....just goes to show you what a brutal and devistating punch it actually was.

Joe Frazier had one of the best left hooks in boxing history....right up there with Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Joe was strong for his smaller stature but he did not have as far to travel with his hooks and right hand shots. He also had smaller forearms which added to his speed but no one should ever stand still for the mummy because he was a monster back then. As a further example of power, Hagler, Hearns and Duran were perfect fighting machines with the right size forearms. Yes gents it's also a physical gift that keeps on giving.

[Beanz]

Joe Frazier's left hook because of his earlier badly set break came in at a more unpredictable crazy angle, and his relentless workrate was a lot for anyone to deal with. His short crocodile arms taught him how to fight up close with frightening ferocity. Ali was clearly more afraid of him than big George, hence his ugly name calling. Joe had Ali's number.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I would argue that it was a matter of simple momentum...Frazier snapped his left hook, George rared back and launched his...it could be a matter of Ali being better able to time George's shots, but what does that then say about Frazier who 2 of the 3 times Ali fought him was a 1 armed fighter. Smokin' Joe ONLY had the left hook so Ali and everyone else knew where the power was coming from....just goes to show you what a brutal and devistating punch it actually was.

Joe Frazier had one of the best left hooks in boxing history....right up there with Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson.

Frazier was unfortunate to fight in an era that included Ali and Foreman, Ali needed all of his skills to win against Smokin' Joe while Foreman was just all wrong for Joe. Frazier's bobbing and weaving and constant head movement made it difficult for Ali to know where Joe's shots were coming from, Ali had a lightning fast jab, he relied on it in every fight, with Frazier he just couldn't land it effectively enough to halt him except in fight 3 and that took all of 14 rounds to do.
Frazier is well underestimated as a heavyweight champion.

[greynotsoold]

Every time Ali went down in his career (excluding wepner standing on his foot and pushing him down), it was from a left hook. Didn't see it coming.
A lot of fighters are like that. Carl Williams could take a right hand, but left hooks nailed him. Every time he was down was from a hook, but every time Holmes went down it was from a right hand.

[amat]

Pretty much summed up here but one thing that was also a contributing factor was that Ali never was able to grab hold of Frazier and absolutely neutralize Frazier. There was a very fair amount of holding but Joe never let himself get smothered like Foreman. Also, Ali was on his feet a lot more against Frazier which surely drained the gas tank. He also ran into a couple shots while moving, which obviously never helps. He squared up a lot to Foreman, more than he ever had before at least. Otherwise, everything everyone mentioned is essentially correct.

[boyla]

Every time Ali went down in his career (excluding wepner standing on his foot and pushing him down), it was from a left hook. Didn't see it coming.
A lot of fighters are like that. Carl Williams could take a right hand, but left hooks nailed him. Every time he was down was from a hook, but every time Holmes went down it was from a right hand.

That is true for most fighters, left hooks get more knock downs/ knock outs than any other punch.
It has a shorter distance to travel, can hit on the blindside.