Marquez-Naz? Why did Marquez blatantly refuse to fight Naz? Fact.

[Andre]

Naz was just a showman that beat lower calibre fighters who were the LINEAL featherweight champion, the WBC champion, WBA champion and WBO champion.

Naz OWNED an entire division.

Lets all IGNORE the facts because we hate the Naz fella. Hilarious. Serioulsy hilarious. With a capital fact. Fact.

I agree with you here. The fact that Naz beat straight pure boxers with unorthodox angles by being strong legged and hip flexible; hits boxing purists much harder right in their believe zone so they shunned ex champs he beat fair and square. If pure boxing skill always wins as the old school love to believe then you'd think one of them could of done the job way before Barrera.

Whats worse is he got away with it by getting into their heads first and worse still was he was onside with Islam at a very bad time when Islam was split by fundamentalist actions.

The other top men of that period Barrera, Morrales and the one purist up commer ignored by them both for a very long time (JMM): Were all as much concentrating on being the top Featherweight of Mexico that is where their pride really was rooted, more than being world champ which usually just happened to come along with being Mexicos best Feather. Thats why I think Marquez wanted either of these two before Naz. Its Mexican pride first, fuck the world, the top Mexicans from the lighter weights got that crown back then anyway.

[AdamGB]

Naz was just a showman that beat lower calibre fighters who were the LINEAL featherweight champion, the WBC champion, WBA champion and WBO champion.

Naz OWNED an entire division.

Lets all IGNORE the facts because we hate the Naz fella. Hilarious. Serioulsy hilarious. With a capital fact. Fact.

I agree with you here. The fact that Naz beat straight pure boxers with unorthodox angles by being strong legged and hip flexible; hits boxing purists much harder right in their believe zone so they shunned ex champs he beat fair and square. If pure boxing skill always wins as the old school love to believe then you'd think one of them could of done the job way before Barrera.

Whats worse is he got away with it by getting into their heads first and worse still was he was onside with Islam at a very bad time when Islam was split by fundamentalist actions.

The other top men of that period Barrera, Morrales and the one purist up commer ignored by them both for a very long time (JMM): Were all as much concentrating on being the top Featherweight of Mexico that is where their pride really was rooted, more than being world champ which usually just happened to come along with being Mexicos best Feather. Thats why I think Marquez wanted either of these two before Naz. Its Mexican pride first, fuck the world, the top Mexicans from the lighter weights got that crown back then anyway.

So he wanted the prestige of beating real, hard fighters? Fact.

Discuss

Andre I'd agree with you about his style upsetting boxing purists, but it didn't hurt Roy Jones Jr.

Because at least backed some of it up.

If Hamed had a James Toney, or a Hopkins, or a title 50 pounds from his starting weight then he'd get more acclaim.

He will never get the praise some people want him to be given, because trinkets aside he never beat the calibre of fighterthat would warrent his talk or the accolades fanboys want him given.

[Mars_ax]

Part of being a great champion is overcoming adversity. Ali for example coming back from a devastating loss to Frazier in their 1st fight to KO George Foreman and avenge the loss to Frazier. Ray Leonard coming back from his loss to Duran, clowning him in the rematch, et al.

If Hamed would have come back and defeated Barrera in a rematch and finished cleaning up the featherweight division we could have called him great. But as it is, he put his tail between his legs and ran into retirement, no class, no heart, no champion, just a straight up bitch.

[Andre]

Naz was just a showman that beat lower calibre fighters who were the LINEAL featherweight champion, the WBC champion, WBA champion and WBO champion.

Naz OWNED an entire division.

Lets all IGNORE the facts because we hate the Naz fella. Hilarious. Serioulsy hilarious. With a capital fact. Fact.

I agree with you here. The fact that Naz beat straight pure boxers with unorthodox angles by being strong legged and hip flexible; hits boxing purists much harder right in their believe zone so they shunned ex champs he beat fair and square. If pure boxing skill always wins as the old school love to believe then you'd think one of them could of done the job way before Barrera.

Whats worse is he got away with it by getting into their heads first and worse still was he was onside with Islam at a very bad time when Islam was split by fundamentalist actions.

The other top men of that period Barrera, Morrales and the one purist up commer ignored by them both for a very long time (JMM): Were all as much concentrating on being the top Featherweight of Mexico that is where their pride really was rooted, more than being world champ which usually just happened to come along with being Mexicos best Feather. Thats why I think Marquez wanted either of these two before Naz. Its Mexican pride first, fuck the world, the top Mexicans from the lighter weights got that crown back then anyway.

So he wanted the prestige of beating real, hard fighters? Fact.

Discuss

Andre I'd agree with you about his style upsetting boxing purists, but it didn't hurt Roy Jones Jr.

Because at least backed some of it up.

If Hamed had a James Toney, or a Hopkins, or a title 50 pounds from his starting weight then he'd get more acclaim.

He will never get the praise some people want him to be given, because trinkets aside he never beat the calibre of fighterthat would warrent his talk or the accolades fanboys want him given.

Marquez did mate not Hamed. I was covering the two scenarios in the post.
Did Marquez duck him? I think so, but not from fear of Naz , I think he just wanted Mexican fights and Mexican recognition as being the best while two greats were there doing just that.

So I think Marquez always wanted Barrera or Morrales and recognition from Mexicans first and foremost.

On the other thing, there were some way above average or just decent boxers on Naz s' record. They had no answers once his power got tasted or once they got mentally rattled which ever way around it occurred; they wouldnt hold up and holes appeared in their defenses.

It took an all time great with strong faith in his own pure boxing skill to time coming out from behind great defence and deal out what should of come along time before onto Naz.

Full credit to Barrera, I think Marquez would have done the same. Morrales could get a bit more emotionally involved, so may have been led into a war and that could be dangerous cause Naz was very fucking dangerous and risky business whoever you are.