Salido stops Lopez!! Is this it for Juan Ma?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Guess Lopez did not want it bad enough.. lol..(for those of you that remember our old thread) Great, awesome fight. Assessing Juan Manuel Lopez where does he go from here? Is this it for the fighter who people had great potential and was once regarded by some as p4p?.. It's crazy because he's a young fighter but I believe this is it for him.

... another thing after the fight was he suffering from a concussion or is this guy really delusional thinking he was dominating? ... I'm not even going to bring up the stoppage he was way out on his feet.. I wish the ref would of let him go so salido would of shut him up for good

ironically enough i was thinking this before the fight even happened, if he couldn't get passed Salido then there's not really much more for him, unless the weight is an issue which I doubt, IMO he's shot himself in the foot, a bit like Hatton really, too much weight gain, no change or improvements, power happy, he might as well call it a day

[p4pking]

Yeah, tough to see many good things for him from here on. Obviously Salido is a horrible matchup for him, but I feel that any of his most intruiging potential opponents are just as well suited to beat him up especially after the beating he just took.. What is he going to do, move up with Gamboa and fight him? He may die in the ring, as he wanted to tonight apparently.

[Hulk]

Come on now guys this is overboard. Lopez's career isn't over just as Mosley's wasn't over after he lost twice to Forrest or Forrest's career after he lost twice to Mayorga.

Granted this one was a particularly brutal loss and war, but Lopez can still beat some other top guys. Salido just has his number is all.

Juan Manuel Lopez is still a world class talent, just needs to possibly get a new trainer and/or seriously work on his defense.

[ruthless rocco]

salido showed that he has a super human chin and i will greater than most men. he took alot of punishment from lopez. lopez not only connected with clean shots, but he also used his elbow, grabbed behind the head and pushed down on the back of salido's head whenever the opportunity presented itself.

how many fighters are gonna have the will and stamina to persevere that kind of aggression, the kind that juanma places on his opponents? not many.

juanma should be able to continue to be successful and grow as a fighter...assuming he hasn't been damaged by these two fights with salido. which is certainly possible. he may be mentally scarred as well as physically damaged by the beating he sustained.

salido took alot, but juanma got battered pretty badly in each fight.

hulk is right when comparing it to mosely v forrest. salido has his number... but there aren't too many fighters that are gonna walk thru juanma's punches the way salido has. twice. haha.

[p4pking]

But wouldn't Gamboa, Guerrero, Mikey Garcia or Brandon Rios etc down the line? You don't neccesarily need the kind of will and chin that Salido has to beat Lopez either; Gamboa at this point would have a good chance to get him out of there without being tested in these areas, and you can't downplay the fact that people were hoping for a fight between those two. Obviously Lopez is a good fighter, but with the way he fights I just can't see him being all that relevant much longer, who does he beat at top level?

[p4pking]

That is a fair post Majesty, Lopez really didn't look to be on good legs whenever he got tagged even very early in the fight, he also took a far more helacious beating than practically any elite fighter has truly come back from in recent years. For a young fighter with his style it could really go downhill quickly if he keeps going imo. Comparing it to someone like MOsley losing to Forrest is absurd, Mosley was already so much more battletested before that point and was never that badly hurt aside from the headbutt in the first fight.

[Majesty]

That is a fair post Majesty, Lopez really didn't look to be on good legs whenever he got tagged even very early in the fight, he also took a far more helacious beating than practically any elite fighter has truly come back from in recent years. For a young fighter with his style it could really go downhill quickly if he keeps going imo. Comparing it to someone like MOsley losing to Forrest is absurd, Mosley was already so much more battletested before that point and was never that badly hurt aside from the headbutt in the first fight.

That and Mayorga's knockout of Forrest was a perfect temple shot it wasn't like Forrest took a beating in either fight. Lopez took a beating in both fights and took a terrible beating but in the 2nd fight I think his legs are indefinitely gone and it leads me to believe had the first fight kept going he was on his way to being knocked out.

When Lopez came out for this rematch all focused and everything I was thinking he could possibly take it though I knew Salido would be relentless.

But in that first round when Salido caught him with it was either a left hook or a left uppercut and a jolt went through Lopez's body and his legs went for a second. I knew it was just a matter of time. And he fought that way too, he fought like it was just a matter of time, and he mentally conceded any gameplan by the 8th round and whether he knew it or not, he accepted he was gonna get knocked out again, so he chose to slug with him and go out on his shield. Whether he knows it or not, subconciously Salido broke him. When he hit Salido with his best shot, and Salido came out stronger in the next round, mentally Lopez knew he wasn't gonna win the fight cause that was his only chance and when Salido kept hurting him with the shots he threw after that, Lopez mentally was done, and he just went to slugging till he was knocked out, and he was.

Lopez will never be the same fighter ever again. Mentally or physically, he basically shot what was left of himself to go out on his shield and it happened. If we ever see him fight again he's gonna be gunshy and he may win a few fights but none really of significance. He can't beat the Champion at 122, and he's too small for 130 so he's a man without a weight class right now. Unless he fights the weaker champs at 122 but it won't mean that much. Honestly I don't want to see him fight again, when your body freezes and your legs shake on the first punch of a fight, it's time to leave before you get hurt a lot worse.

[ICB]

salido showed that he has a super human chin and i will greater than most men. he took alot of punishment from lopez. lopez not only connected with clean shots, but he also used his elbow, grabbed behind the head and pushed down on the back of salido's head whenever the opportunity presented itself.

how many fighters are gonna have the will and stamina to persevere that kind of aggression, the kind that juanma places on his opponents? not many.

juanma should be able to continue to be successful and grow as a fighter...assuming he hasn't been damaged by these two fights with salido. which is certainly possible. he may be mentally scarred as well as physically damaged by the beating he sustained.

salido took alot, but juanma got battered pretty badly in each fight.

hulk is right when comparing it to mosely v forrest. salido has his number... but there aren't too many fighters that are gonna walk thru juanma's punches the way salido has. twice. haha.

Actually Salido's chin isn't that great, he was floored twice by Gamboa, Haya, fair play Gamboa is explosive and can punch but i'd never heard of Haya in all honesty. And checking his record his power is nothing special yet he decked Salido twice.

But he did go 12 rounds with JMM without being put on the deck, which mean's obviously his chin can't be that bad. But i have seen him hurt and shook up quite a few times, and wouldn't say he has the chin you think he does.

[Majesty]

Come on now guys this is overboard. Lopez's career isn't over just as Mosley's wasn't over after he lost twice to Forrest or Forrest's career after he lost twice to Mayorga.

Granted this one was a particularly brutal loss and war, but Lopez can still beat some other top guys. Salido just has his number is all.

Juan Manuel Lopez is still a world class talent, just needs to possibly get a new trainer and/or seriously work on his defense.

The difference between Mosley and Forrest's losses were in the rematches they were both close and depending on who you talk to questionable, but neither second fight was a beatdown and Forrest didn't really sustain a beating nor did Mosley aside from the round Forrest dropped him in.


But Lopez has just been stopped twice, one you could say was questionable but in this fight he was battered around the ring, dished out all he could and got knocked out even worse than last time, he took a beating like Mugabi took from Hagler. And even tonight Juanma looked gunshy and his legs went whenever he got hit with a hard punch regardless on whether he recovered fast or not, I didn't like the way his legs shook when he got hit by Salido's left hand early in the fight. It was very Meldrick Taylor post Chavez-like.

That plus Lopez didn't seem to fight with confidence, he had confidence when he dropped Salido, and then when he went out for the 6th and was hit again he went back into his shell. I think mentally Juanma doesn't want to be knocked out again, I think mentally he's ruined. So even if he comes back, he won't be the same fighter, mentally or physically. And when you aren't the same mentally, get out while you still can sustain yourself physically.

[Hulk]

Come on now guys this is overboard. Lopez's career isn't over just as Mosley's wasn't over after he lost twice to Forrest or Forrest's career after he lost twice to Mayorga.

Granted this one was a particularly brutal loss and war, but Lopez can still beat some other top guys. Salido just has his number is all.

Juan Manuel Lopez is still a world class talent, just needs to possibly get a new trainer and/or seriously work on his defense.

The difference between Mosley and Forrest's losses were in the rematches they were both close and depending on who you talk to questionable, but neither second fight was a beatdown and Forrest didn't really sustain a beating nor did Mosley aside from the round Forrest dropped him in.


But Lopez has just been stopped twice, one you could say was questionable but in this fight he was battered around the ring, dished out all he could and got knocked out even worse than last time, he took a beating like Mugabi took from Hagler. And even tonight Juanma looked gunshy and his legs went whenever he got hit with a hard punch regardless on whether he recovered fast or not, I didn't like the way his legs shook when he got hit by Salido's left hand early in the fight. It was very Meldrick Taylor post Chavez-like.

That plus Lopez didn't seem to fight with confidence, he had confidence when he dropped Salido, and then when he went out for the 6th and was hit again he went back into his shell. I think mentally Juanma doesn't want to be knocked out again, I think mentally he's ruined. So even if he comes back, he won't be the same fighter, mentally or physically. And when you aren't the same mentally, get out while you still can sustain yourself physically.

I disagree Barrera came back after Junior Jones, Morales after being twice stopped by Pac Man.

It can be done.

Didn't see Lopez behaving nearly as gun shy as Roy Jones did after his KO loss to tarver. Lopez was intimidated by Salido sure, but nothing to that degree.

Time will tell.

But to hastily say Lopez's career is over because of two losses is childish in my opinion.

[Mars_ax]

Guess Lopez did not want it bad enough.. lol..(for those of you that remember our old thread) Great, awesome fight. Assessing Juan Manuel Lopez where does he go from here? Is this it for the fighter who people had great potential and was once regarded by some as p4p?.. It's crazy because he's a young fighter but I believe this is it for him.

... another thing after the fight was he suffering from a concussion or is this guy really delusional thinking he was dominating? ... I'm not even going to bring up the stoppage he was way out on his feet.. I wish the ref would of let him go so salido would of shut him up for good

ironically enough i was thinking this before the fight even happened, if he couldn't get passed Salido then there's not really much more for him, unless the weight is an issue which I doubt, IMO he's shot himself in the foot, a bit like Hatton really, too much weight gain, no change or improvements, power happy, he might as well call it a day

In the first fight Lopez took a pretty good shellacking, and he was badly hurt by the 5th round KD and never fully recovered, but he lived to fight another day. This time he totally got his ass kicked, it's hard to imagine him recovering from a beating like that, and competing at championship level again.

I will say this, Lopez showed a ton of heart last night, he's got nothing to be ashamed of, he gave it his all, Salido was just the better man

[Master]

Great fight and both can be proud of their showing. Great action packed fight. There were no losers.

[captainanddew]

mosley lost some fights but he didn't take a total beating.

More importantly, Mosley wasn't that damn easy to hit in the fights he was winning.


If anyone doesn't think getting hit in the chin cleanly (which has happened to Lopez alot) by the guys Lopez beat, then they are crazy.

Just because he was bigger than most of them and knew he would be able to withstand the punches but they wouldn't, doesn't mean willingly taking their shots doesn't take something out of a fighter.

Don't look just to the beatings he took against Salido. Look at everyone landing cleanly their best shots on his chin in their fights.