Hopkins vs. Chad Dawson II - Saturday night fight thread

[captainanddew]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

[Mars_ax]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

[Hulk]

Joke of a decision and coverage by HBO tonight. 9-3 !? hahaha

Hopkins haters will eat it up and go along with it knowing that it was much closer, and FAR from a dominant win.

In truth it was a terrible, boring mess of a fight as we all knew it would be.

I had it 115-113 Hopkins, but could see it 115-113 Dawson, or a draw.

A draw was actually fair.

Dawson winning the 12th on Harold's card just shows the corruption and eagerness of HBO to fuck Hopkins and be done with him.

[Mars_ax]

Joke of a decision and coverage by HBO tonight. 9-3 !? hahaha

Hopkins haters will eat it up and go along with it knowing that it was much closer, and FAR from a dominant win.

In truth it was a terrible, boring mess of a fight as we all knew it would be.

I had it 115-113 Hopkins, but could see it 115-113 Dawson, or a draw.

A draw was actually fair.

Dawson winning the 12th on Harold's card just shows the corruption and eagerness of HBO to fuck Hopkins and be done with him.

I don't agree at all Hulk, but hey bro, you've got a right to believe what you want.

Could it be however that you just wanted to see Dawson lose and Hopkins win?

Out off all the fights i've watched the last couple years, this was the least controversial of just about any of them, there's no fucking way this was a "draw" or Hopkins coming even close to winning.

[Galaxy]

Hopkins had his moments but ultimately wasn't active enough to win the fight

[Mars_ax]

Hopkins had his moments but ultimately wasn't active enough to win the fight

Exactly, Dawson was busier, and more effective with his punches. It wasn't per-say a one-sided fight, but Dawson was doing enough to win the majority of the rounds and Hop wasn't.

[Spicoli]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

Did you see Dawson turn to the ref like he was trying to borrow money...instead of maybe attacking and furthering a advantage. Dawson left a trail of tears in his interviews

[Mars_ax]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

Did you see Dawson turn to the ref like he was trying to borrow money...instead of maybe attacking and furthering a advantage. Dawson left a trail of tears in his interviews

I'm not a Dawson fan by any means, but I do think he had a point about the headbutts. I wouldn't say that if Hop hadn't been doing this same shit his whole career. At least Dawson had enough maturity and class to give Hop some credit after the fight, instead of leaving the ring like an infantile douche.

[Spicoli]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

Did you see Dawson turn to the ref like he was trying to borrow money...instead of maybe attacking and furthering a advantage. Dawson left a trail of tears in his interviews

I'm not a Dawson fan by any means, but I do think he had a point about the headbutts. I wouldn't say that if Hop hadn't been doing this same shit his whole career. At least Dawson had enough maturity and class to give Hop some credit after the fight, instead of leaving the ring like an infantile douche.

As opposed to saying he felt the descision was wrong on the mic? Bit of screwed either way to some fans who might say he was just as sore loser and just want to hold the door open for him wouldn't ya say. Headbutts to one degree or another happen in most fights and for Dawson to continue to piss and moan even after winning the title is every bit a punk move. I had it 7-5 but for people to act like Dawson was commanding the call is off. He coasted and, per norm.

[Mars_ax]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

Did you see Dawson turn to the ref like he was trying to borrow money...instead of maybe attacking and furthering a advantage. Dawson left a trail of tears in his interviews

I'm not a Dawson fan by any means, but I do think he had a point about the headbutts. I wouldn't say that if Hop hadn't been doing this same shit his whole career. At least Dawson had enough maturity and class to give Hop some credit after the fight, instead of leaving the ring like an infantile douche.

As opposed to saying he felt the descision was wrong on the mic? Bit of screwed either way to some fans who might say he was just as sore loser and just want to hold the door open for him wouldn't ya say. Headbutts to one degree or another happen in most fights and for Dawson to continue to piss and moan even after winning the title is every bit a punk move. I had it 7-5 but for people to act like Dawson was commanding the call is off. He coasted and, per norm.

What about being gracious in defeat, getting on mic and giving you're opponent the credit he deserved? Like: "Hey Chad, you fought a hell of a fight". Good sportsmanship goes a long way with me, Hopkins doesn't know the meaning of it.

Hop was just being a sore loser and acting like a cunt, fuck him.

[shza]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

Did you see Dawson turn to the ref like he was trying to borrow money...instead of maybe attacking and furthering a advantage. Dawson left a trail of tears in his interviews

I'm not a Dawson fan by any means, but I do think he had a point about the headbutts. I wouldn't say that if Hop hadn't been doing this same shit his whole career. At least Dawson had enough maturity and class to give Hop some credit after the fight, instead of leaving the ring like an infantile douche.

As opposed to saying he felt the descision was wrong on the mic? Bit of screwed either way to some fans who might say he was just as sore loser and just want to hold the door open for him wouldn't ya say. Headbutts to one degree or another happen in most fights and for Dawson to continue to piss and moan even after winning the title is every bit a punk move. I had it 7-5 but for people to act like Dawson was commanding the call is off. He coasted and, per norm.

You're one of my favorite posters here but, to go Jim Gray on you, I think you're way off here. I thought it was an easy fight to score and 117-111 was exactly right. The fight wasn't remotely close. I like Hopkins a lot but I just felt sad watching him tonight. 90% of his fight was leading with his head and one right hand into a grappling hold (and that's not getting inside to do work, it's just straight-up holding). He was pretty much entirely responsible for it being a terrible fight to watch. Add the headbutts and yeah, I'm with Dawson 100%. I would have complained too -- Hopkins made him look bad not with skill but with pure spoiling, in the worst way. It was a sad way for an all-time great to go out. I wish he had retired after the Pavlik fight.

I've been saying since the Super 6 that Dawson/Ward is the most meaningful fight within the 160-175 divisions -- I was happy to hear Dawson call Ward out. That fight will also not be pretty but I really hope it happens. It's both fighters' biggest chance of losing -- don't see that happening any other way.

[Dia bando]

I was shocked a ref getting on Hopkins case,classic dirty fighting but he was well out boxed 114 -114
what was that score. He got beat it was not close at all weather some people think it was, he loves
rolling about on the floor like a carpet salesman.
He walk out the ring you swear he's been robbed,please not a rematch please not again I HOPE it's
the last time I see him in the ring.

[Spicoli]

Hopkins won 4 clear rounds and the first 2 were close. More than likely gonna lose the decision 7 to 5.

I felt like DAwson had 6 clear rounds. BHOP 2 clear rounds. 4 rounds that were close (2 of those I shaded BHOP. 1 I shaded Dawson. 1 I have no idea).

My card ends up 7-4-1 for Dawson.

I had it Dawson 8-4 in rounds.

I knew Hop would bitch/whine about the decision, fucking asshole, don't give your opponent any credit, right Bernard?

Did you see Dawson turn to the ref like he was trying to borrow money...instead of maybe attacking and furthering a advantage. Dawson left a trail of tears in his interviews

I'm not a Dawson fan by any means, but I do think he had a point about the headbutts. I wouldn't say that if Hop hadn't been doing this same shit his whole career. At least Dawson had enough maturity and class to give Hop some credit after the fight, instead of leaving the ring like an infantile douche.

As opposed to saying he felt the decision was wrong on the mic? Bit of screwed either way to some fans who might say he was just as sore loser and just want to hold the door open for him wouldn't ya say. Headbutts to one degree or another happen in most fights and for Dawson to continue to piss and moan even after winning the title is every bit a punk move. I had it 7-5 but for people to act like Dawson was commanding the call is off. He coasted and, per norm.

You're one of my favorite posters here but, to go Jim Gray on you, I think you're way off here. I thought it was an easy fight to score and 117-111 was exactly right. The fight wasn't remotely close. I like Hopkins a lot but I just felt sad watching him tonight. 90% of his fight was leading with his head and one right hand into a grappling hold (and that's not getting inside to do work, it's just straight-up holding). He was pretty much entirely responsible for it being a terrible fight to watch. Add the headbutts and yeah, I'm with Dawson 100%. I would have complained too -- Hopkins made him look bad not with skill but with pure spoiling, in the worst way. It was a sad way for an all-time great to go out. I wish he had retired after the Pavlik fight.

I've been saying since the Super 6 that Dawson/Ward is the most meaningful fight within the 160-175 divisions -- I was happy to hear Dawson call Ward out. That fight will also not be pretty but I really hope it happens. It's both fighters' biggest chance of losing -- don't see that happening any other way.

Well Mr. Grey (your cool but Grey is a kook) not to go Teddy but...You are clear as big a Hopkins fan as I am, this was no robbery and Dawson deserved the win...right? That said there is nothing worse than a winner making excuses as to why he looked mediocre or why an opponents 'style' put him in that position. If someones really pissing you off Chad....punch him in the mouth. Dawson doesn't get a pass on that just because its Hopkins in the other corner. He too fought from the backseat in large spots and when he had Hopkins in a vulnerable spot along the ropes twice he took his foot off the gas. He settled. I mean when your corner has to encourage by telling you to do like Joe Calzaghe, come on. Didn't matter if it was Hopkins "headbutt" or that left hook opening up Dawsons right eye. It could be Hopkins or a Pascal who he literally had out on his feet for a moment and what did he do...he stepped back. He settled. I call a fight strictly from a fighter a and fighter b point and give credit during rounds where I feel its due, regardless of what a prideful stubborn ahole a dude may be. Hopkins inability to give two shits as to what the fans think of him as much as his reserved sniping from perimeter that has seen him turn 47 in the ring has often come back to bite him on the arse and style wise its costs him rounds but he was hardly in there just to spoil or merely survive. He was touching Dawson in the clinches and that lead right found a nice home in spots...BOTH were warned for infractions and Dawson was missing plenty. The right man won the fight and good to see that but like I said I'd rather see Hopkins fight a Hopkins pace at 47 than Dawson do it at 29, and In my opinion he could have done much more but I do honestly think we have seen Dawson get as 'hot' as he's going to get in there.

[Mars_ax]

I thought Ledderman had it right, all Hop did was run in and throw one punch, (and a headbutt) how can you win a fight doing that?

What was obvious was, Dawson didn't let Hop control the action, and Hop may be a young 47, but he looked old and slow tonight, although I give much of the credit for that to Dawson.

As for the draw on the one scorecard, please show me how Hop won more then 4 rounds in this fight, and that's being generous.

I'm pleased with the result tonight, the better man won a clearcut decision, we can only hope that Hopkins does the right thing now, and retires.