Haye is looking chunky. I think he is going to be slow and will get caught by Chisora.
Still think Haye to win on points though.
Haye is looking chunky. I think he is going to be slow and will get caught by Chisora.
Still think Haye to win on points though.
In football if you're banned by the FA, then you're banned by FIFA. I know that boxing has no world body but surely if you're banned by the BBBofC you should be banned by the EBU, thus preventing this.
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I've cancelled my Boxnation subscription; I only took it out for a month to watch Hopkins and Mayweather, and I won't be taking it out for poor WWF matches.
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Haha, come on why would anyone pretend to have a moral objection here. The long term damage it will cause, a WWF event, give me a break! The sport is inherently vile and backwards, this is a good fight that will sell tickets and be hilarious in the build up. I didn't like Hayes effort against Wlad at all, but he probably can still shine in this fight. Thing is, he will need to put in the work as Chisora brings it and is tough as nails. There is almost no way this isn't at least a decent fight, and given its in the HW division why should anything else come first.
I think Chisora will win!!
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Cant believe how many people are going with Haye!
Do you remember the Fragomeni fight? He wasnt a puncher and he made Haye back up and work just with pressure. Until he realised he was italian and quit
Chisora is about the best heavy around at moving his head and he can take a very good shot too. Haye hasnt fought for how long? Chisora is coming of an excellent 12 rounds giving Vitali his hardest fight other than Lewis. However Haye fought the weaker brother and not only couldnt put a dent in him, didnt have the bottle to even try!
Who has Haye actually beaten at heavy that says hes a top heavyweight?
In this fight Haye will be manhandled, he doesnt have the skill to keep a decent heavy off him. Especially one that takes a shot, is hard to hit, has agood work rate and pressures.
You seriously think that Vitali is still the better brother at this point in his career Ross?
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Yep and if you look at posts when that fight was about to happen I said it wont be that Vitali has got old overnight it will be that hes finally fighting someone who can work all night and has good defence/upper body movement. Hes always struggled with people who can take it to him, they both have.
If Wlad and Vitali fought, Vitali would win. If any of his shots got through Wlad goes down and some of his shots would get through.
Also, I saidweaker, not better. Wlad has been KO'd and dropped loads of times, he is the weaker brother and he was Hayes best chance. Vitali would walk through Haye who would do his usual skirting round the ring to avoid taking a shot because he worries about his chin and hasno real defence other than running sideways.
Last edited by ross; 05-09-2012 at 10:04 AM.
I think there is a world of difference between Wlad and Vitali at this stage. Chin aside(which is big I'll grant you) Wlad is a MUCH better fighter imo, otherwise Chisora and Haye's respective showings against the brothers would hold a lot more water. I don't see any reason Haye would be so reluctant to engage with Derek, and assuming he does should come out the better for it. He's a much better athlete and more dynamic fighter, but it will be telling whether he can hurt Chisora early on. As a said, it's an interesting fight so who cares what the implications are!
Derek is far more skilled at defence. Haye got dropped hard by a super middle (Mock), Thompson, Mormeck, Barrett and not just because he has a crap chin but because his defence is crap. He willstruggle to land anything clean on Chisora and wont have the massive size and strength that Fury, Helenius and Vitali all had to keep him off.
If you actually watch half of those knock downs he was slipping on ring advertising etc.
Some people think wlad has a decent right hand... Haye caught it a few times. His chin as a hw is an unknown quantity.
Vitali didn't look old overnight. It's been seeable over his last 4-5
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