Haye v Chisora will happen after all.

[AdamGB]

You seriously think that Vitali is still the better brother at this point in his career Ross?

[BIG H]

You seriously think that Vitali is still the better brother at this point in his career Ross?

Offensively, he probably never was, defensively (and by that I mean likelyhood of getting dropped) he still is!

Vitali, looked old and ponderous against Del Boy though.

[ross]

Yep and if you look at posts when that fight was about to happen I said it wont be that Vitali has got old overnight it will be that hes finally fighting someone who can work all night and has good defence/upper body movement. Hes always struggled with people who can take it to him, they both have.

If Wlad and Vitali fought, Vitali would win. If any of his shots got through Wlad goes down and some of his shots would get through.

Also, I saidweaker, not better. Wlad has been KO'd and dropped loads of times, he is the weaker brother and he was Hayes best chance. Vitali would walk through Haye who would do his usual skirting round the ring to avoid taking a shot because he worries about his chin and hasno real defence other than running sideways.

[p4pking]

I think there is a world of difference between Wlad and Vitali at this stage. Chin aside(which is big I'll grant you) Wlad is a MUCH better fighter imo, otherwise Chisora and Haye's respective showings against the brothers would hold a lot more water. I don't see any reason Haye would be so reluctant to engage with Derek, and assuming he does should come out the better for it. He's a much better athlete and more dynamic fighter, but it will be telling whether he can hurt Chisora early on. As a said, it's an interesting fight so who cares what the implications are!

[ross]

Derek is far more skilled at defence. Haye got dropped hard by a super middle (Mock), Thompson, Mormeck, Barrett and not just because he has a crap chin but because his defence is crap. He willstruggle to land anything clean on Chisora and wont have the massive size and strength that Fury, Helenius and Vitali all had to keep him off.

[AdamGB]

If you actually watch half of those knock downs he was slipping on ring advertising etc.

Some people think wlad has a decent right hand... Haye caught it a few times. His chin as a hw is an unknown quantity.

Vitali didn't look old overnight. It's been seeable over his last 4-5

[ross]

Haye was fighting on the same surface as his opponents so if hes always slipping, he either has crap balance or just isnt strong enough. Fuck me, Wlad had him flopping embarrisingly all over the shop in their fight, to the point the ref had to warn Haye for it!

Just like Vitali, Haye will get a shock at having a young (for once not a 40 year old), strong, fit fighter that will push him and make him work and tire. Then that power will mean nothing after the 4th round as he will have no steam on it and Chisora will just pour it on and work him over and stop Haye (probably faking an injury in the corner rather than go out on his shield) around the 8th.

[Fenster]

Same old shit from Ross. I hate Haye so wont give him credit for anything. Hilarious.

The only fighters Haye has ever had trouble landing on were the two giants. Everyone his size has been rocked and hurt.

It's possible Chisora could take Haye's power, he has shown a granite chin to date, and put him under serious pressure as the fight goes on. But equally Chisora will have never absorbed the explosive early bombs he will against Haye.

Good fight in my book.

[X]

This fight was always going to happen. I must say that I find the hysterical handwringing in the national press pretty full of hypocrisy. Boxing has always been crazy, amoral and dangerous.

Imagine a sport where someone like Don King can cheat and threaten his clients for 2 decades, imagine a sport that has a history of fixing fights and organising who the next 'champion' should be, imagine a sport that somehow allows any idiot to declare someone 'world' champion (then introduce Chamion Emeritus, Gold Champion, Super Champion etc).

Remember Riddick Bowe hitting people at press conferences, remember Tyson attacking Lewis and threatening to eat his children, remember Jack Dempsey hitting Jess Willard with a coach bolt, Panama Al Lewis loading his figher's gloves, Antonio Margarito cheting with his wraps, Shane Moseley, James Toney and Evander Holyfield being caught with performance enhancing drugs, Errol Christie and Mark kaylor fighting in the street.

The show goes on .......

It's good hype for a fight between someone who never beat anybody got at heavyweight yet make millions out of a non-performance in his biggest fight, and someone who has chronically undertrained and failed to eke the most out of their albeit limited talent.

Boxing is the entertainment game

[ross]

Same old shit from Ross. I hate Haye so wont give him credit for anything. Hilarious.

The only fighters Haye has ever had trouble landing on were the two giants. Everyone his size has been rocked and hurt.

It's possible Chisora could take Haye's power, he has shown a granite chin to date, and put him under serious pressure as the fight goes on. But equally Chisora will have never absorbed the explosive early bombs he will against Haye.

Good fight in my book.

For fuck sakes your so blinded by Hayes bullshit! He hasnt fought any young contenders like Adamek or Areola. All hes done at heavy is beat Valuev and Chagaev did it better anyway. Ruiz was retired, Harrison is Harrison and had never even challenged at world level. Bonin was stopped by Harrison! Barrett had just been KOd by Cliff Couser in 2 rounds but still decked Haye! Then his only other fight at heavy he lost every round by running away then embarassed himself by blaming a stubbed little toe! Even Lennox Lewis took the piss out of him for that!