Sugar Ray Robinson 169 Vs Rocky Marciano 188

[El Kabong]

Sugar Ray weighed in at 157 for the fight he didn't have to make 175. There's a ceiling for weight limits, there's no floor.

[SRR]

Sugar Ray weighed in at 157 for the fight he didn't have to make 175. There's a ceiling for weight limits, there's no floor.

My bad, I got a bit mixed up there with the weights issue for some reason, but my answer as to why Maxim did not suffer the way Robinson did remains the same.

[jon09]

Its hard to pick against a fighter who has never been truly knocked out in 200 fights. Who has power, finesse, speed and chin. I feel SRR would move, jab and counter Rocky and win on cuts in the later rounds. Great little man beats the good big man.

[El Kabong]

It's pointless to keep arguing about it because it's a hypothetical fight. Both fighters were great, to call Rocky "good" is a blasphemy he was 49(43 KO)-0-0 ....to go undefeated in nearly 50 fights is pretty damned special and it's not like he was dodging anyone either.

Also IF Sugar Ray Robinson could beat Marciano (you said it not me) why not Joe Louis? I mean if we're going to go down the road of "Sugar Ray Robinson was so great it didn't matter how big his opponent was" then let's push the envelope. How big and how great do you have to be to beat Sugar Ray Robinson? I could think of several fighters that would have given Ray fits at his own weight class and one can certainly make the same case about Marciano, but given Rocky's small stature he wouldn't even be a heavyweight these days.

[SRR]

It's pointless to keep arguing about it because it's a hypothetical fight. Both fighters were great, to call Rocky "good" is a blasphemy he was 49(43 KO)-0-0 ....to go undefeated in nearly 50 fights is pretty damned special and it's not like he was dodging anyone either.

Also IF Sugar Ray Robinson could beat Marciano (you said it not me) why not Joe Louis? I mean if we're going to go down the road of "Sugar Ray Robinson was so great it didn't matter how big his opponent was" then let's push the envelope. How big and how great do you have to be to beat Sugar Ray Robinson? I could think of several fighters that would have given Ray fits at his own weight class and one can certainly make the same case about Marciano, but given Rocky's small stature he wouldn't even be a heavyweight these days.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth: I never said he was so great he would beat anyone regardless of size, I just said it was *possible* that he could have won against Marciano with the right strategy, and if you read my posts you would have noticed I also said the most likely end to a fight between these two would be Marciano knocking Robinson out.

[jon09]

It's pointless to keep arguing about it because it's a hypothetical fight. Both fighters were great, to call Rocky "good" is a blasphemy he was 49(43 KO)-0-0 ....to go undefeated in nearly 50 fights is pretty damned special and it's not like he was dodging anyone either.

Also IF Sugar Ray Robinson could beat Marciano (you said it not me) why not Joe Louis? I mean if we're going to go down the road of "Sugar Ray Robinson was so great it didn't matter how big his opponent was" then let's push the envelope. How big and how great do you have to be to beat Sugar Ray Robinson? I could think of several fighters that would have given Ray fits at his own weight class and one can certainly make the same case about Marciano, but given Rocky's small stature he wouldn't even be a heavyweight these days.

Undefeated records can always be argued with; Like Rocky ducking Floyd Patterson. I think every fighter is good compared to Robinson who to me in his prime was freaking amazing. Most of Sugar Ray's losses were in his late 30's and 40's when he was already spent and heat was the only 1 to knock him out. Like it has been said before its a hypothetical fight against 2 fighters of equal size and I stand by Ray beating Rocky in this 1.

[Master]

Of equal size of course SRR would pulverise Rocky but an old, past his peak, way out of his weight against a prime Rocky (which I think was a mooted fight) would have only resulting in Marciano winning.

[Althugz]

Of equal size of course SRR would pulverise Rocky but an old, past his peak, way out of his weight against a prime Rocky (which I think was a mooted fight) would have only resulting in Marciano winning.

Exactly, the only way we can look at this fight is p4p - it couldn't have happened anywhere else even with SRR going way up to challenge Maxim. Doubt even he was crazy enough to go up to heavyweight though.

P4P it's a brutal, brutal annihilation of Marciano.