So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..

[Gandalf]

Religion is based upon absolutely nothing and that's why it bothers me to hear failed Christians like Manny waffle on about gay marriage being against God's law. God doesn't even exist so where do these rules come from? A man written book from ages ago? What gives the Bible any precedent in how our societies are governed and ruled?

It irritates me to hear Christians spouting their tosh because it is fundamentally absurd and is a hindrance to understanding and progress. They deny science and they deny reason. I am glad to see people getting annoyed with Manny.

His views should be seen as archaic and of a world that needs to be washed away.

[p4pking]

I agree with you, but it's nothing new that Manny is religious and this isn't anything people should take to heart. I was only pointing out that it's nothing which will bring him any sort of bad press, it's still a fairly common stance taken on every political level there is in America.

[Gandalf]

You are right and it is sad that America is still so primitive in its thinking. I despise people who tolerate prejudice. Do we refuse Jews or blacks the right to marry? Interracial couples? Of course not and yet homosexuals still have to fight on for their rights. It is sad that anyone would want to deny someone the basic opportunity to share a life with love and with the full support of the law on their side.

The arguments against it make no sense whatsoever. It typically boils down to 'It doesn't seem right'. Well people would have said the same thing about a black woman marrying a white woman a hundred years ago. Get over it, get over yourselves, stick God in your pocket and be nice to each other without making up stuff to deny the happiness of others.

[15rounder]

Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.

[Gandalf]

Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.

As a former forum gay, I feel I need to defend these issues. It should be Bilbo's job as the reigning gay, but he ran away and seeing as he would likely defend Pacquiao, I should put forth my 2012 campaign in uncompromising terms.

[NoBias]

He has the right to his own opinion and that's it.

I know he is a catholic and would be considered quite a religious person, what I can not understand is other people of the same religion or similar ones who consider the Bible to be the word of god and it says something like 'Man shall not lie with Man' yet they agree with same sex marriage its completely contradictory.

[Gandalf]

I believe anyone that takes a man written book as the word of God to be fundamentally opposed to the notion of contradiction.

[Leighton]

Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.

As a former forum gay, I feel I need to defend these issues. It should be Bilbo's job as the reigning gay, but he ran away and seeing as he would likely defend Pacquiao, I should put forth my 2012 campaign in uncompromising terms.

I kinda understrand how u feel mr Gandalf. Even though I am not gay I am and for most of my life been a fat dude. But I find myself going the opposite direction when it comes to friends. The last thing I would want is my friends tiptoeing around me trying to avoid words that would offend me. I love the banter we have between each other. Some are gay, black, fat etc and we poke fun at one another even though we dont find anything wrong with one another its just steriotype jokes.
The problem with what Pac done is he came out and opposed it seriosly in puplic. When you are famous you have a certain influence on people and you can end up pushing your views on them just because they idolise you so much.
If someone I didnt know came out and said in public they dissagreed with fat people and said they were discusting then I would probably take offence. But not that much. Hearing it all my life it kinda dont bother me any more. But I dont think other people who do not want to put up with it should have to.

[arcanum26]

Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.

As a former forum gay, I feel I need to defend these issues. It should be Bilbo's job as the reigning gay, but he ran away and seeing as he would likely defend Pacquiao, I should put forth my 2012 campaign in uncompromising terms.

I kinda understrand how u feel mr Gandalf. Even though I am not gay I am and for most of my life been a fat dude. But I find myself going the opposite direction when it comes to friends. The last thing I would want is my friends tiptoeing around me trying to avoid words that would offend me. I love the banter we have between each other. Some are gay, black, fat etc and we poke fun at one another even though we dont find anything wrong with one another its just steriotype jokes.
The problem with what Pac done is he came out and opposed it seriosly in puplic. When you are famous you have a certain influence on people and you can end up pushing your views on them just because they idolise you so much.
If someone I didnt know came out and said in public they dissagreed with fat people and said they were discusting then I would probably take offence. But not that much. Hearing it all my life it kinda dont bother me any more. But I dont think other people who do not want to put up with it should have to.

I don't agree with your statement that he came out and opposed it seriously in public. He was asked a question and Pacquiao being the bumbling religious zealot that he is, answered it honestly and straight to the point. He was against it because it's not in line with his religion. That's it. He never went on a rant about how disgusting gays are nor tried to influence others and sway them to his own views. If he is the homophobic, hate mongering person that the gay community and their supporters seem to be implying, then they should rightfully castigate Manny. However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that would support this case other than Pac voicing his disapproval of other people's beliefs. All of us disapprove of many things be they social/political/religious issues. All of us. It's perfectly fine and normal. What's not fine is when you become a walking talking intolerant hate machine. Has Pac exhibited such a behavior? I rest my case.

[imp]

For once im on pacs side and not mayweathers.
God made adam and eve..not adam and steve.
You cant compare homosexuality with culture or skin colour. Pac might not have directly attacked gays but i respect his views and agree with his stance.

[Althugz]

Haha I guess one of my friends was right - he always said "never discuss 2 things if you dont want things to get heated..Politics and religion"

I guess I broke two of his rules together. While it's not heated, every single one of us has a strong stance.

[Althugz]

Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.

It's boxing/boxer related

[Gandalf]

A song for Manny...

[the_PRODIGY]

I don't even understand why people has to be married legally if not for religion. The issue here is religion. It's on the Bible, or whatever book they had. Why would they agree to a couple of living homosexuals re-write a millennium of belief or atleast bend the rules just to make them happy? If you are gay, go ahead that shouldn't be a problem nowadays. But what the heck, you can't be mad at someone who choose to believe he's right because his religion say so. Someone here nailed it, like religion, homosexuality is an option. Why not start a gay religion with all the beliefs you have and go marry each other or anything you like and hope that after a century or so half of the world belongs to that religion. I'm sure there will be politicians on that 'gay religion' can pass a law that allows you to marry your gay bride or gay broom.

Fucking simple. Majority of the people in the world is either Christian or Muslim or Buddhist. And these politicians who made the law (which is a document too - yeah a Book that everyone follows but is changeable unlike the bible!), belongs to those religion where gay marriage is not allowed. It's just not about changing a law, it's about changing the 'book' which is impossible. The long term solution, start forming that gay religion and hope the millions of gay around the world joins it and have a bunch go run for a Senate position or become a President. When the religion is gay, and politicians are gay, even boxers are gay, almost everyone is born gay due to religion..it won't be that hard to make gay marriage legal.

Sometimes, tolerance is just bad. Like a chronic disease it goes worse. When the public started accepting gays, they demanded to be married. Whereas in places where it is still considered taboo, it is not even issue. Right now fucking and 'falling in love' with your relatives is taboo. But if some influential personality dares to change the world and we start to think it's cool and we start tolerating it, you bet them practitioners will ask for more like - I want to marry my grandfather! And when you disagree with them because your religion says it's wrong they will crucify you!

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Religion is based upon absolutely nothing and that's why it bothers me to hear failed Christians like Manny waffle on about gay marriage being against God's law. God doesn't even exist so where do these rules come from? A man written book from ages ago? What gives the Bible any precedent in how our societies are governed and ruled?

It irritates me to hear Christians spouting their tosh because it is fundamentally absurd and is a hindrance to understanding and progress. They deny science and they deny reason. I am glad to see people getting annoyed with Manny.

His views should be seen as archaic and of a world that needs to be washed away.

It isn't like Manny is out preaching that gay marriage is wrong. He was asked a question and responded to the question based on his views. He has his beliefs and the belief that he expressed here is in agreement with his religion.