Khan wants belts returned

[Fenster]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

Your counter argument had zero relevance to what my post said..

Your post said - Why are people bothered about a man that got caught cheating when a man that has never been caught cheating is an obvious cheat.

I just replied to the incredibly naive bit that claimed - if a man asks for stricter drugs testing then he clearly can't be a cheat.

One born every minute springs to mind....

[p4pking]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

Your counter argument had zero relevance to what my post said..

Your post said - Why are people bothered about a man that got caught cheating when a man that has never been caught cheating is an obvious cheat.

I just replied to the incredibly naive bit that claimed - if a man asks for stricter drugs testing then he clearly can't be a cheat.

One born every minute springs to mind....

As I understood it, he meant that Peterson voluntarily took the tougher tests, as in he didn't have to. It's at least possible imo, that he felt all of his bloodwork would come back normal. I know you just equate this to his feeling he could cheat the tests, but I think that might in fact be naive if the substance in itself isn't detectable.

[p4pking]

And as an aside, had Peterson simply chosen so, he would've probably only had to take a piss test and the fight would still be on. Then it would just be another guy on something that no one ever finds out about, like half of the elite fighters out there.

[Mars_ax]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Right, except it's not banned if you have lower than normal testosterone levels and you inform them that you're using it. So, you're wrong and getting emotional for no good reason. These are facts..not your "expert" opinion on how the sport should be run.

Even if that is in fact true, when did Peterson inform "them" he was using it? As for me getting "emotional".

I feel dumber just reading some of your posts sometimes. I've repeated over and over he's guilty of not disclosing his use. That was never up for debate. Rantacrat, Mars and Fenster..can you please huddle up and try to come up with one decent debating point between you please..because at the moment my head hurts responding to your non-points.

Poor, Althugz, if we're so beneath you, why even bother responding?

[Althugz]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

Your counter argument had zero relevance to what my post said..

Your post said - Why are people bothered about a man that got caught cheating when a man that has never been caught cheating is an obvious cheat.

I just replied to the incredibly naive bit that claimed - if a man asks for stricter drugs testing then he clearly can't be a cheat.

One born every minute springs to mind....

As I understood it, he meant that Peterson voluntarily took the tougher tests, as in he didn't have to. It's at least possible imo, that he felt all of his bloodwork would come back normal. I know you just equate this to his feeling he could cheat the tests, but I think that might in fact be naive if the substance in itself isn't detectable.

Another star for you my man. You got it in one again and saved me having to dumb myself down to respond to Fenster. Kudos.

[Master]

Khan is a whiny fucker, just give him the belts and he can get back to the boxing and GBP getting him an easy match for June.

[Fenster]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

Your counter argument had zero relevance to what my post said..

Your post said - Why are people bothered about a man that got caught cheating when a man that has never been caught cheating is an obvious cheat.

I just replied to the incredibly naive bit that claimed - if a man asks for stricter drugs testing then he clearly can't be a cheat.

One born every minute springs to mind....

As I understood it, he meant that Peterson voluntarily took the tougher tests, as in he didn't have to. It's at least possible imo, that he felt all of his bloodwork would come back normal. I know you just equate this to his feeling he could cheat the tests, but I think that might in fact be naive if the substance in itself isn't detectable.

It says here the test was random.

Lamont Peterson-Amir Khan canceled after failed urine test - ESPN

Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "voluntarily?" Any athlete refusing a drug test would immediately put themselves under suspicion? That would never even be an option. Surely?

[shza]

I understand where you guys are coming from, I just don't agree that they should overturn anything on account of Petersons admission alone. As I said, it's quite possible that he didn't have an abnormal test for the first fight because his levels of testosterone weren't abnormal. I would imagine that synthetic testosterone in itself can't be detected or differentiated from the natural hormone, the only give away would be having a very high level in the blood. Furthermore, who is to say with certainty that Khan didn't use something banned himself? If the fighters both passed whatever tests they had to take then it should be done with imo, this incident merely highlights how inadequate the standard tests are in the first place. Shane Mosley didn't have his win over De La hoya overturned even though he has admitted to using designer anabolic steroids along with EPO, much more serious than synthetic testosterone.

Actually, as I understand it, the one and only reason Peterson failed the test was because synthetic (as opposed to natural) testosterone was detected. To my knowledge, and based on everything I've read on this, there has been no finding that the level of testosterone in his body was abnormally high (or at any particular level).

I do agree with Rantcatrant, however, that Peterson's failure to disclose is sufficient grounds to strip him of the titles. If he can persuade the powers that be that his medical explanation is legit and that his only foul was the non-disclosure, however, I don't think a suspension is appropriate.

[ruthless rocco]

My only point was that if he admittedly broke the rules for the fight fight, the decision should be changed to a no contest.

but where's the evidence that he cheated in the first fight?

there isn't any, aside from what he allegedly said.

there's no reason to return the belts to khan because khan lost a fight where there was no cheating. how do we know there was no cheating? because the tests administered were clean.

the sanctioning bodies should treat peterson as they would a champion who was caught cheating in advance of a title fight; but there is no rational reason that khan should be given the belts. for what? he hasn't earned them.

it makes sense to me that khan would fight the next top ranked fighter for the vacant title, but to just award them to khan would be ludicrous.

[p4pking]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

Your counter argument had zero relevance to what my post said..

Your post said - Why are people bothered about a man that got caught cheating when a man that has never been caught cheating is an obvious cheat.

I just replied to the incredibly naive bit that claimed - if a man asks for stricter drugs testing then he clearly can't be a cheat.

One born every minute springs to mind....

As I understood it, he meant that Peterson voluntarily took the tougher tests, as in he didn't have to. It's at least possible imo, that he felt all of his bloodwork would come back normal. I know you just equate this to his feeling he could cheat the tests, but I think that might in fact be naive if the substance in itself isn't detectable.

It says here the test was random.

Lamont Peterson-Amir Khan canceled after failed urine test - ESPN

Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "voluntarily?" Any athlete refusing a drug test would immediately put themselves under suspicion? That would never even be an option. Surely?

I was quite a ways off here then, I think the first article I read about it was a bit less clear on the testing. It does say that Peterson insisted on there being random blood and urine testing(the imbecile), that's the bit that was voluntary then I assume. It turns out he actually failed on a urine test though, which makes sense if the synthetic stuff can be traced seperately as Shza said. That also makes my point about the blood and actual levels of the hormone completely moot, but it explains why Peterson may not have had a problem with more stringent testing in his mind.
I think this means the bigger issue is whether he actually tested clean for the first fight or somehow even got around having to submit so much as a piss sample Either way I still say they have to put the onus on commissions to be consistent and thorough with testing fighters rather than punish anyone after the fact. It sounds as though this stuff would be dead easy to test for, it's not like a BALCO case where he was using something more advanced. As long as he was cleared to fight the first time around there is not only no evidence to overturn the decision, but neither is there any to be certain that Khan himself was clean.

[Dia bando]

Trouble is sport is open to PHD, boxing is just one sport when people are training they use a more scientific approach fitness nutrition etc . Some people are using a more scientific approach to cheat
I find it hard to believe these people plead there innocences, when they are surrounded by experts
it just a load of bollocks.