Dan Rafael says Berto has been tested positive for steriods?

[Kirkland Laing]

I am cynical and jaded and I'm normally the first person to say most boxers are on something -- I didn't believe pacquaio and his fear of needles for instance -- but I don't think berto did this deliberately. It's just come out that the amount in his system was absolutely tiny and consistent with him injesting it via some contaminated supplement that he was taking. Lots of athletes have tested positive for nandrolone in tiny quantities due to them taking contaminated supplements. And nandrolone is the last thing you would take if you're juicing as it stays in the body for eighteen months. I just think it's an unfortunate accident and that Berto is a clean athlete.

So does this mean the fight is back on? Or was it scrapped as soon as Berto tested positive?

That's the flip-side with these Vada tests..why can't they tell that the amount ingested is microscopical the first time round? Instead of outing somebody and THEN checking the amount that showed up in the urine/blood? That sounds a bit weird to me. It also embarasses a fighter who might be innocent.

The other thing is that I remember hearing in the old days that some rather unruly supplement companies would put bits of steroid in their bottles to make the athlete think the supplement was amazing and to keep buying. I hope that still doesn't happen.

Dunno. Golden Boy are supposedly looking around for another opponent but with this latest revelation about it being some co0ntaminated stuff they may use the situation to screw the fuck out of berto and his people so that the fight goes ahead. Or maybe there's issues with the commissions or something else that will prevent it once a positive test has happened. Fuck knows. We'll have to wait and see.

Hopefullt it's back on but I wouldn't bet on it. It'll probably be Ortiz against some tomato can and it's yet another big fight that doesn't happen.

[Diane]

I am cynical and jaded and I'm normally the first person to say most boxers are on something -- I didn't believe pacquaio and his fear of needles for instance -- but I don't think berto did this deliberately. It's just come out that the amount in his system was absolutely tiny and consistent with him injesting it via some contaminated supplement that he was taking. Lots of athletes have tested positive for nandrolone in tiny quantities due to them taking contaminated supplements. And nandrolone is the last thing you would take if you're juicing as it stays in the body for eighteen months. I just think it's an unfortunate accident and that Berto is a clean athlete.

So does this mean the fight is back on? Or was it scrapped as soon as Berto tested positive?

That's the flip-side with these Vada tests..why can't they tell that the amount ingested is microscopical the first time round? Instead of outing somebody and THEN checking the amount that showed up in the urine/blood? That sounds a bit weird to me. It also embarasses a fighter who might be innocent.

The other thing is that I remember hearing in the old days that some rather unruly supplement companies would put bits of steroid in their bottles to make the athlete think the supplement was amazing and to keep buying. I hope that still doesn't happen.

Dunno. Golden Boy are supposedly looking around for another opponent but with this latest revelation about it being some co0ntaminated stuff they may use the situation to screw the fuck out of berto and his people so that the fight goes ahead. Or maybe there's issues with the commissions or something else that will prevent it once a positive test has happened. Fuck knows. We'll have to wait and see.

Hopefullt it's back on but I wouldn't bet on it. It'll probably be Ortiz against some tomato can and it's yet another big fight that doesn't happen.

Ortiz will now be fighting Josesito Lopez.


Josesito Lopez will replace Andre Berto in June 23 bout against Victor Ortiz in L.A. - ESPN