what now for bute?

[ruthless rocco]

no. i disagree completely. when you get knocked down, you get back you and try again.
bute will learn from this and adjust his plan.

that's what champions do. none of this rebuilding with crap fighters.

that's a big part of what's wrong with boxing right now. protecting the fighters, trying to shield them from losses. a loss isn't the end of the world. its something to learn from.

[p4pking]

It's not rebuilding if there was no real foundation in place to begin with. This was by far the toughest test Bute had faced, and he was completely destroyed, don't kid yourselves. The idea that he would be well served to just fight another top guy at 168 is crazy, he'll need to be matched up very carefully in his next few fights if he wants to make waves in the near future. There is nothing unfair about writing him off as a legitimate top guy for the meantime, it's not as though he is a young fighter who got caught.. This is a guy who has been milked and brought up carefully for years now, gradually increasing his level of opposition and taking a steady climb to the elite level. There is really no positive to take from this fight at all, he was absolutely hopeless against a guy who could take his punches and get inside on him. In theory he could have given Kessler a decent fight as that would probably be fought at a distance, but Ward would beat him up like he stole something.

[ruthless rocco]

It's not rebuilding if there was no real foundation in place to begin with. This was by far the toughest test Bute had faced, and he was completely destroyed, don't kid yourselves. The idea that he would be well served to just fight another top guy at 168 is crazy, he'll need to be matched up very carefully in his next few fights if he wants to make waves in the near future. There is nothing unfair about writing him off as a legitimate top guy for the meantime, it's not as though he is a young fighter who got caught.. This is a guy who has been milked and brought up carefully for years now, gradually increasing his level of opposition and taking a steady climb to the elite level. There is really no positive to take from this fight at all, he was absolutely hopeless against a guy who could take his punches and get inside on him. In theory he could have given Kessler a decent fight as that would probably be fought at a distance, but Ward would beat him up like he stole something.

your assessment that bute has "no real foundation" and that he should be carefully matched up over the next few fights is moronic.

there are alot of things to learn from his failure in this fight. running from froch and fighting a bunch of c level fighters isn't the solution. froch is a great fighter. he's shown it in his past fights and he showed it again against bute. bute needs to analyze his performance and make adjustments in training and take froch on again in the fall. thats how you learn. whats fighting a bunch of bums gonna do to help bute learn how to fight the elite? you seem to think he's only fought bums and it got him "no real foundation" so how is that gonna help him get better?

boxing is about taking chances, not coddling and hand holding.

we'll see what happens in the rematch.

[p4pking]

Your writing style is moronic, so there. Is your shift key broken or something? My point was simply that Bute hadn't established that he could compete on this level beforehand, it was a major step up in class and he was absolutely blasted out. Froch is obviously great, but he hasn't taken anyone else out in that fashion recently has he? Bute isn't durable and can't fight on the inside to save his life. If you think this isn't something he should work on, or that he would be able to improve enough in one training camp to beat any of the belt holders at SMW, I want your drugs. If he rematches Froch he will get KO'ed again, and it's certainly not a smart career move. I understand that you want to see top fights all the time, I'm just thinking about what is realistic.

[ruthless rocco]

reading comprehension must not be your strong suit...(or maybe it's the lack of capital letters that's confusing you.) i just said that bute has alot to learn from this fight and many adjustments to make.

i'd argue that bute is fairly durable since he took about 30 clean power shots to the head and didn't go down. seemed to recover well between rounds... the problem is that he tried to go toe to toe with froch instead of boxing and using his jab, movement speed and timing.

he clearly can't fight on the inside and should have a completely different strategy for the rematch. everyone expected bute to keep froch on the outside and box. he allowed froch to come in and overpower him. so... fighting guys that aren't as vicious or lack the inside fighting of froch won't really help him get better. he'll just assert his outside game and beat them the way he beat the others.

you have to face failure head on to be the best. back into the fire.

[p4pking]

Hahaha. It's true I didn't really read your first post due to the lowercase, my apologies. The thing which had people so confused going into this fight(myself included) is the notion that Bute had the option to box him on the outside. Thinking back, he's never really shown the ability to move any way but forwards whilst being effective with his output. He is more of a well polished offensive fighter than he is actually slick or intelligent in the ring.

I'm not suggesting that he should only fight bums he could look good against, merely pointing out that this is how he built himself up to begin with for the most part. I was surprised that he dealt with Glen Johnson the way he did, but in truth, I think Glencoffee would TKO him if they fought again. That's an opponent for Bute to consider at least. If he jumps right into a rematch with Froch it is carehr suicide, he CAN'T beat himt barring some kind of godlike metmorphosis you seem to feel he is capable of.