Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

[Fenster]

I'm fairly sure all anyone has done is rate Frochs opposition higher than Calzaghes, no? Your first sentence all but defeats itself. Fact.

I was responding to this.

My main point is - when being ranked Carl Froch should be ranked higher than Joe Calzaghe. I don't see an argument to have it any other way.

1. I've already showed why that doesn't work.

2. How can Froch's opposition be that much superior when Calzaghe BEAT a man Froch LOST against?

It's a silly argument. You might as well say Glenn Johnson is the greatest of all time because, although he lost a million times, he fought everyone.

Froch has arguably had the toughest run of fights in supermiddle history. Tougher than not just Calzaghe's but - Jones, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Collins, Kessler, Ward, etc

It doesn't mean he rates ABOVE them. Fact.

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I'm fairly sure all anyone has done is rate Frochs opposition higher than Calzaghes, no? Your first sentence all but defeats itself. Fact.

I was responding to this.

My main point is - when being ranked Carl Froch should be ranked higher than Joe Calzaghe. I don't see an argument to have it any other way.

1. I've already showed why that doesn't work.

2. How can Froch's opposition be that much superior when Calzaghe BEAT a man Froch LOST against?

It's a silly argument. You might as well say Glenn Johnson is the greatest of all time because, although he lost a million times, he fought everyone.

Froch has arguably had the toughest run of fights in supermiddle history. Tougher than not just Calzaghe's but - Jones, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Collins, Kessler, Ward, etc

It doesn't mean he rates ABOVE them. Fact.

Fair enough, it's kind of hard to read both of your posts in full once you get going about Calzaghe. I actually thought Froch deserved the nod against Kessler, and by any measure should rank well ahead of Eubank, Benn and Collins by this point.
Really though, who gives a damn where anyone "ranks" once they have retired. I would imagine it's safe to say Froch will now be remembered more fondly and has garnered a bigger fanbase than Calzaghe ever had, that's all I really took the thread to mean.

[ross]

I dont even think Froch is as liked as Calzaghe was.

Calzaghe fought Kessler in a stadium that could hold 55,000 people. Froch fought Bute in a stadium that could only hold 9,000. Calzaghes fight was a sellout. None of the major tv networks in america wanted the Froch fight.

I like Froch, he has won me around by his hard working attitude. If an arrogant pompous attitude is what turns you which is why you may not like Calzaghe, then you should remember to before Calzaghe retired when Froch was calling him out non stop. Froch hadnt even fought a former world title challenger at that point and was not at all known. Robin Reid whp was retired for a few years after getting beaten by Lacy was Frochs first former world title challenger opponent. Froch is just as guilty for the cockyness. At least Calzaghe was head and shoulders above everyone else, he had a right to hold himself in high esteem. Like we have all mentioned, Calzaghe dominated Kessler and there was no argument who wan. This was 3 years before Froch lost to him and while he was still unbeaten. Kessler was seen as more of a threat than Bute was this weekend. There were question marks over Butes resiliance from the Andrade fight.

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That could be, I really don't know how to guage how popular a fighter is these days. Calzaghe was certainly never an entity outside of the UK either, which was largely his fault imo. As far as cockiness or anything like that, I couldn't really care less. I've only seen a couple of interviews with Froch or Calzaghe for that matter, and they both came across as perfectly decent if not even humble.

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Lacy was also seen as more of a threat to Calzaghe than Kessler was, even though he'd shown all kinds of vulnerability against lesser fighters as well. Doesn't always tell the story.

[Master]

Joe would beat Froch but Carl has taken on better fighters over a shorter period mainly because of his age. Had he been younger Froch would have taken it a little slower.