Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

[TitoFan]

There are no false facts. I find it easier to respond this way at times and bold my replies to portions rather then quote the post and respond. I sincerely mean no offense by this format. Its not Calzaghes fault that 168 was anorexic at his peak anymore then it was the fault of Hopkins for a mediocre 160 division or Marciano for a less then stellar heavyweight division. What stands out for Joe is the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight for me at a time when 175 was looming. Facts are facts.

I beg to differ with the Calzaghe/Hopkins/Marciano opponents comparison. Hopkins, throughout his remarkable career, fought more than a handful of big name opponents. His list more than stacks up against Calzaghe's opponents list, IMO. Marciano I'm not too sure about.

Give me a name prior to Tito? a CAREER WELTER recently turned Jr Mid? Hopkins is a 1st ballot hall of famer for a dominant career and yet Reid probably beats anyone he fought. I'm not saying his record is better. You are saying I am and then suggesting my response is emotional.

Who did Marciano fight prime wise?

Ali did NOT slap. Ali had little power in his punches, because of the way he threw them. He rarely put his whole body weight behind his punches, but rather threw them while leaning back or falling away. There's a huge difference between that and slapping. Ray Leonard, if you're including him in that group... was most definitely not a slapper. He could have his meaningless flurries, like a few he threw against Hagler. But he could punch with power, and had a few good KOs to his credit. Calzaghe was a slapper. For whatever the reason. Brittle hands, whatever. He slapped. The flurries looked downright U-G-L-Y. Turned me off immediately. Whatever the reason for Calzaghe to fight Manfredo, it was laughable. Should've never occurred at that stage of Calzaghe's career. Being a "Contender" star is a dubious entry in a fighter's resume.

Yes he did. Almost as much as he held behind the head. He and many others have won fights by the very combinations you dismiss. I could draft a list of fighters who slap by your opinion that would grow eternally. You claim that you are not a hater and that its a fact and yet empirical evidence would suggest that's not the case.

Oh..... I don't agree with you so I'm a hater?
I was starting to give you credit for being a non-emotional Calzaghe fan, but never mind.




By the way, I give you a paragraph of technical explanations as to why Ali was not the pathetic "slapper" that Calzaghe was..... and you counter with:
"Yes he did."

I rest my case.

[Gandalf]

Sorry, but it's a stupid thread to begin with.

And it resorts down to who slaps. Sorry Tito, you are the one who keeps it going and it seems to resort to who slaps the most.

Seriously?

[TitoFan]

Sorry, but it's a stupid thread to begin with.

And it resorts down to who slaps. Sorry Tito, you are the one who keeps it going and it seems to resort to who slaps the most.

Seriously?

Does it offend you that some of us don't burn incense at the foot of Calzaghe's life-size statue? Apparently it does. Just accept the fact that JC punched like a girl in the latter stages of his career and be done with it. You'll feel refreshed... I assure you.

[Gandalf]

Sorry, but it's a stupid thread to begin with.

And it resorts down to who slaps. Sorry Tito, you are the one who keeps it going and it seems to resort to who slaps the most.

Seriously?

Does it offend you that some of us don't burn incense at the foot of Calzaghe's life-size statue? Apparently it does. Just accept the fact that JC punched like a girl in the latter stages of his career and be done with it. You'll feel refreshed... I assure you.

Grow up, you silly little girl.

[TitoFan]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

[Gandalf]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

Indeed, and the facts speak for themselves. Calzaghe beat Kessler in his prime. Froch couldn't. End of.

What's your point? Calzaghe slapped? Right, and Cotto has no stamina.

Facts.

[Dia bando]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

Indeed, and the facts speak for themselves. Calzaghe beat Kessler in his prime. Froch couldn't. End of.

What's your point? Calzaghe slapped? Right, and Cotto has no stamina.

Facts.

That's the way Miles you tell them.

[TitoFan]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

Indeed, and the facts speak for themselves. Calzaghe beat Kessler in his prime. Froch couldn't. End of.

What's your point? Calzaghe slapped? Right, and Cotto has no stamina.

Facts.

OMG... you're resorting to 8-year old tactics? LMAO.

"Oh yeah? Calzaghe slapped? Well... well... ok, ok..... well Cotto has no stamina. So there. Nyah-nyah-nee-nah-nah."

I'm just gonna let this die a slow death.

[TitoFan]

There are no false facts. I find it easier to respond this way at times and bold my replies to portions rather then quote the post and respond. I sincerely mean no offense by this format. Its not Calzaghes fault that 168 was anorexic at his peak anymore then it was the fault of Hopkins for a mediocre 160 division or Marciano for a less then stellar heavyweight division. What stands out for Joe is the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight for me at a time when 175 was looming. Facts are facts.

I beg to differ with the Calzaghe/Hopkins/Marciano opponents comparison. Hopkins, throughout his remarkable career, fought more than a handful of big name opponents. His list more than stacks up against Calzaghe's opponents list, IMO. Marciano I'm not too sure about.

Give me a name prior to Tito? a CAREER WELTER recently turned Jr Mid? Hopkins is a 1st ballot hall of famer for a dominant career and yet Reid probably beats anyone he fought. I'm not saying his record is better. You are saying I am and then suggesting my response is emotional.

Who did Marciano fight prime wise?

Ali did NOT slap. Ali had little power in his punches, because of the way he threw them. He rarely put his whole body weight behind his punches, but rather threw them while leaning back or falling away. There's a huge difference between that and slapping. Ray Leonard, if you're including him in that group... was most definitely not a slapper. He could have his meaningless flurries, like a few he threw against Hagler. But he could punch with power, and had a few good KOs to his credit. Calzaghe was a slapper. For whatever the reason. Brittle hands, whatever. He slapped. The flurries looked downright U-G-L-Y. Turned me off immediately. Whatever the reason for Calzaghe to fight Manfredo, it was laughable. Should've never occurred at that stage of Calzaghe's career. Being a "Contender" star is a dubious entry in a fighter's resume.

Yes he did. Almost as much as he held behind the head. He and many others have won fights by the very combinations you dismiss. I could draft a list of fighters who slap by your opinion that would grow eternally. You claim that you are not a hater and that its a fact and yet empirical evidence would suggest that's not the case.

Oh..... I don't agree with you so I'm a hater?
I was starting to give you credit for being a non-emotional Calzaghe fan, but never mind.




By the way, I give you a paragraph of technical explanations as to why Ali was not the pathetic "slapper" that Calzaghe was..... and you counter with:
"Yes he did."

I rest my case.

Ahhhhhhh..... the silence that always follows a whitewash.