Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

[BIG H]

These people who accuse Calzaghe of cheery picking and ignore the facts because they are perplexed by them need to tell everyone who he did not face that he could have and when.<br />
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Thats what I thought.

Exactly right. Nobody thinks the SMW division was great for the most part of JC's reign, but he didn't duck people and every attempt to show he did has been disproven many times on here.

[Dia bando]

Let me put the record straight I like both fighters, but Calzaghe is the better fighter I will give Froch credit
he is a tough SOB but the greater boxing ability go's to Joe you don't see Calzaghe getting out boxed.
Froch has been on two occasions remember Joe beat a prime Kessler, we can't con-pear Ward a different time scale.I like both but favour Calzaghe over Froch just the individuals taste that my take on
this post.

[TitoFan]

There are no false facts. I find it easier to respond this way at times and bold my replies to portions rather then quote the post and respond. I sincerely mean no offense by this format. Its not Calzaghes fault that 168 was anorexic at his peak anymore then it was the fault of Hopkins for a mediocre 160 division or Marciano for a less then stellar heavyweight division. What stands out for Joe is the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight for me at a time when 175 was looming. Facts are facts.

I beg to differ with the Calzaghe/Hopkins/Marciano opponents comparison. Hopkins, throughout his remarkable career, fought more than a handful of big name opponents. His list more than stacks up against Calzaghe's opponents list, IMO. Marciano I'm not too sure about.

Give me a name prior to Tito? a CAREER WELTER recently turned Jr Mid? Hopkins is a 1st ballot hall of famer for a dominant career and yet Reid probably beats anyone he fought. I'm not saying his record is better. You are saying I am and then suggesting my response is emotional.

Who did Marciano fight prime wise?

Ali did NOT slap. Ali had little power in his punches, because of the way he threw them. He rarely put his whole body weight behind his punches, but rather threw them while leaning back or falling away. There's a huge difference between that and slapping. Ray Leonard, if you're including him in that group... was most definitely not a slapper. He could have his meaningless flurries, like a few he threw against Hagler. But he could punch with power, and had a few good KOs to his credit. Calzaghe was a slapper. For whatever the reason. Brittle hands, whatever. He slapped. The flurries looked downright U-G-L-Y. Turned me off immediately. Whatever the reason for Calzaghe to fight Manfredo, it was laughable. Should've never occurred at that stage of Calzaghe's career. Being a "Contender" star is a dubious entry in a fighter's resume.

Yes he did. Almost as much as he held behind the head. He and many others have won fights by the very combinations you dismiss. I could draft a list of fighters who slap by your opinion that would grow eternally. You claim that you are not a hater and that its a fact and yet empirical evidence would suggest that's not the case.

Oh..... I don't agree with you so I'm a hater?
I was starting to give you credit for being a non-emotional Calzaghe fan, but never mind.




By the way, I give you a paragraph of technical explanations as to why Ali was not the pathetic "slapper" that Calzaghe was..... and you counter with:
"Yes he did."

I rest my case.

[Gandalf]

Sorry, but it's a stupid thread to begin with.

And it resorts down to who slaps. Sorry Tito, you are the one who keeps it going and it seems to resort to who slaps the most.

Seriously?

[erics44]

Lol. Why 115-112, dare I ask Joe would probably win 8 rounds but get penalized in the 12th for his slightly Welsh accent and better looks, right? He was a great fighter but come on, there is no way in hell he was on Mayweathers level at any point. You merely need to open your eyes and divorce the personal biases to see so.

p.s. "Youre Bias" is such a shit argument

youre bias, no youre bias, no youre bias, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you are

I see you've learned the difference between your and you're, just missing the apostrophe now. It's funny to me that a boxing forum has basically revamped your ability to write and spell, you remind me of ICB in that regard How old are you? Did you ever finish high school? Have your terrible posts here really been the most practice you've ever had writing? Kind of sad really.

ha

the "how old are you?" insult coupled with the "youre bias" argument? what a fantasitic contribution you have made to this debate

dont tell me, im not a troll too am I?

[TitoFan]

Sorry, but it's a stupid thread to begin with.

And it resorts down to who slaps. Sorry Tito, you are the one who keeps it going and it seems to resort to who slaps the most.

Seriously?

Does it offend you that some of us don't burn incense at the foot of Calzaghe's life-size statue? Apparently it does. Just accept the fact that JC punched like a girl in the latter stages of his career and be done with it. You'll feel refreshed... I assure you.

[Gandalf]

And just to make my feelings clear, Calzaghe would bugger Miguel Cotto with his slaps. An easy fight. Just as he destroys Froch. Easy fights for Calzaghe.

[Gandalf]

Sorry, but it's a stupid thread to begin with.

And it resorts down to who slaps. Sorry Tito, you are the one who keeps it going and it seems to resort to who slaps the most.

Seriously?

Does it offend you that some of us don't burn incense at the foot of Calzaghe's life-size statue? Apparently it does. Just accept the fact that JC punched like a girl in the latter stages of his career and be done with it. You'll feel refreshed... I assure you.

Grow up, you silly little girl.

[TitoFan]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

[Gandalf]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

Indeed, and the facts speak for themselves. Calzaghe beat Kessler in his prime. Froch couldn't. End of.

What's your point? Calzaghe slapped? Right, and Cotto has no stamina.

Facts.

[Dia bando]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

Indeed, and the facts speak for themselves. Calzaghe beat Kessler in his prime. Froch couldn't. End of.

What's your point? Calzaghe slapped? Right, and Cotto has no stamina.

Facts.

That's the way Miles you tell them.

[TitoFan]

Well....... you certainly told me off.
Let me guess... you're a professional debater, right?

Indeed, and the facts speak for themselves. Calzaghe beat Kessler in his prime. Froch couldn't. End of.

What's your point? Calzaghe slapped? Right, and Cotto has no stamina.

Facts.

OMG... you're resorting to 8-year old tactics? LMAO.

"Oh yeah? Calzaghe slapped? Well... well... ok, ok..... well Cotto has no stamina. So there. Nyah-nyah-nee-nah-nah."

I'm just gonna let this die a slow death.

[Plopeater]

Loving this

[p4pking]

Can a mod delete this thread? It's fucking garbage, there has been no debate from the get go.

[Plopeater]

Can a mod delete this thread? It's fucking garbage, there has been no debate from the get go.

This thread is excellent, lets debate the merit of what has been said either side