Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

[Althugz]

...maybe because Trinidad lost to Roy Jones Jr and Hopkins? who knows.

Ok bro... I don't dislike you as I do Fenny, whose arrogance is surpassed only by his non-sensical arguments. But I'm noticing a disturbing trend here. You don't counter an argument against Calzaghe's style by lashing out at how many champion boxers Turkey has or doesn't have, or by mentioning Trinidad's losses. Trust me.... it doesn't look good in what should be a debate about Calzaghe's style.

Some of you people need to learn debating techniques. But I'm not picking on you. I've seen some other doozies on this thread. For instance... a poster claimed Ali used to slap also. But when I gave him a technical explanation as to why Ali was not a slapper.... his counter argument was: "Oh yes he did." Haven't heard from him since.

Someone else reads my argument about why Calzaghe's opponents haven't been all that.... and counters with: "Oh yeah? List the fighters you claim Calzaghe ducked?" Hard to argue with warped logic like that.

@TitoFan I have not lashed out and will not be trusting your judgement when it comes to what works in a debate unless I am eager to have my ass whipped. I did not counter any argument about Calzaghe's style by bringing up Turkish Boxers, I merely responded calmly to Altugs usual tactic of overcompensating for the fact he is British and therefore could never see himself as neutral, unless he slags off not only British Boxers like Calzaghe, Froch and Hatton but also UK fans who he refers to as Brits. Apparently even though your signature says otherwise it is inexcusable to have any national pride when it comes to boxing and so Dia Bando despite being a proud Welsh man should just say nothing when Altug gets a bit personal and precious?. As for Trinidad's losses they are the only common opponents he shares with JC so they are entirely relevant and may explain your irrational rage against Calzaghe's style.

What you and Altug seem to be saying is that every judge, boxing commentator, trainer, boxer or fan who thought JC's punches were legitimate scoring (and in some cases debilitating) shots, and not slaps are both deluded and in collusion?

You really aren't as intelligent as you think you are. If you were you would have made the observation that I haven't once made any personal insults to Dia Bando. Despite him repeatedly calling me all the names under the sun. Since finding out he was an old man, I won't go there. Was brought up a little better than to insult an elder. So he can say what he wants. Personally, I find it immature for a man of his age but I won't insult him.

Secondly, I didn't once say that there was anything wrong with national pride. It just simply means in most cases that you can't be objective if you carry too much of it. I just pointed that out. Nothing particularly wrong with it it that's your thing.

Again, you say I'm over compensating for it by slagging off British fighters? Is that way I've been giving Froch credit recently? Is that why Chris Eubank is one of my favourite boxers of all time?

Once again - I SAY WHAT I SEE. Race, nationality or any of that shit doesn't come into it. Go incorrectly analyse someone else - you're like this weird cyber stalker.. :/

[Dia bando]

...maybe because Trinidad lost to Roy Jones Jr and Hopkins? who knows.

Ok bro... I don't dislike you as I do Fenny, whose arrogance is surpassed only by his non-sensical arguments. But I'm noticing a disturbing trend here. You don't counter an argument against Calzaghe's style by lashing out at how many champion boxers Turkey has or doesn't have, or by mentioning Trinidad's losses. Trust me.... it doesn't look good in what should be a debate about Calzaghe's style.

Some of you people need to learn debating techniques. But I'm not picking on you. I've seen some other doozies on this thread. For instance... a poster claimed Ali used to slap also. But when I gave him a technical explanation as to why Ali was not a slapper.... his counter argument was: "Oh yes he did." Haven't heard from him since.

Someone else reads my argument about why Calzaghe's opponents haven't been all that.... and counters with: "Oh yeah? List the fighters you claim Calzaghe ducked?" Hard to argue with warped logic like that.

@TitoFan I have not lashed out and will not be trusting your judgement when it comes to what works in a debate unless I am eager to have my ass whipped. I did not counter any argument about Calzaghe's style by bringing up Turkish Boxers, I merely responded calmly to Altugs usual tactic of overcompensating for the fact he is British and therefore could never see himself as neutral, unless he slags off not only British Boxers like Calzaghe, Froch and Hatton but also UK fans who he refers to as Brits. Apparently even though your signature says otherwise it is inexcusable to have any national pride when it comes to boxing and so Dia Bando despite being a proud Welsh man should just say nothing when Altug gets a bit personal and precious?. As for Trinidad's losses they are the only common opponents he shares with JC so they are entirely relevant and may explain your irrational rage against Calzaghe's style.

What you and Altug seem to be saying is that every judge, boxing commentator, trainer, boxer or fan who thought JC's punches were legitimate scoring (and in some cases debilitating) shots, and not slaps are both deluded and in collusion?

You really aren't as intelligent as you think you are. If you were you would have made the observation that I haven't once made any personal insults to Dia Bando. Despite him repeatedly calling me all the names under the sun. Since finding out he was an old man, I won't go there. Was brought up a little better than to insult an elder. So he can say what he wants. Personally, I find it immature for a man of his age but I won't insult him.

Secondly, I didn't once say that there was anything wrong with national pride. It just simply means in most cases that you can't be objective if you carry too much of it. I just pointed that out. Nothing particularly wrong with it it that's your thing.

Again, you say I'm over compensating for it by slagging off British fighters? Is that way I've been giving Froch credit recently? Is that why Chris Eubank is one of my favourite boxers of all time?

Once again - I SAY WHAT I SEE. Race, nationality or any of that shit doesn't come into it. Go incorrectly analyse someone else - you're like this weird cyber stalker.. :/

Poor you not in my rocking chair just yet, handbags at dawn

[Dia bando]

...maybe because Trinidad lost to Roy Jones Jr and Hopkins? who knows.

Ok bro... I don't dislike you as I do Fenny, whose arrogance is surpassed only by his non-sensical arguments. But I'm noticing a disturbing trend here. You don't counter an argument against Calzaghe's style by lashing out at how many champion boxers Turkey has or doesn't have, or by mentioning Trinidad's losses. Trust me.... it doesn't look good in what should be a debate about Calzaghe's style.

Some of you people need to learn debating techniques. But I'm not picking on you. I've seen some other doozies on this thread. For instance... a poster claimed Ali used to slap also. But when I gave him a technical explanation as to why Ali was not a slapper.... his counter argument was: "Oh yes he did." Haven't heard from him since.

Someone else reads my argument about why Calzaghe's opponents haven't been all that.... and counters with: "Oh yeah? List the fighters you claim Calzaghe ducked?" Hard to argue with warped logic like that.

@TitoFan I have not lashed out and will not be trusting your judgement when it comes to what works in a debate unless I am eager to have my ass whipped. I did not counter any argument about Calzaghe's style by bringing up Turkish Boxers, I merely responded calmly to Altugs usual tactic of overcompensating for the fact he is British and therefore could never see himself as neutral, unless he slags off not only British Boxers like Calzaghe, Froch and Hatton but also UK fans who he refers to as Brits. Apparently even though your signature says otherwise it is inexcusable to have any national pride when it comes to boxing and so Dia Bando despite being a proud Welsh man should just say nothing when Altug gets a bit personal and precious?. As for Trinidad's losses they are the only common opponents he shares with JC so they are entirely relevant and may explain your irrational rage against Calzaghe's style.

What you and Altug seem to be saying is that every judge, boxing commentator, trainer, boxer or fan who thought JC's punches were legitimate scoring (and in some cases debilitating) shots, and not slaps are both deluded and in collusion?

You really aren't as intelligent as you think you are. If you were you would have made the observation that I haven't once made any personal insults to Dia Bando. Despite him repeatedly calling me all the names under the sun. Since finding out he was an old man, I won't go there. Was brought up a little better than to insult an elder. So he can say what he wants. Personally, I find it immature for a man of his age but I won't insult him.

Secondly, I didn't once say that there was anything wrong with national pride. It just simply means in most cases that you can't be objective if you carry too much of it. I just pointed that out. Nothing particularly wrong with it it that's your thing.

Again, you say I'm over compensating for it by slagging off British fighters? Is that way I've been giving Froch credit recently? Is that why Chris Eubank is one of my favourite boxers of all time?

Once again - I SAY WHAT I SEE. Race, nationality or any of that shit doesn't come into it. Go incorrectly analyse someone else - you're like this weird cyber stalker.. :/

Poor you not in my rocking chair just yet, handbags at dawn

You do surprise me you like some one besides yourself wonders never cease.