An explation as to why two big boxing names never met

[Althugz]

JMM would have handled Hamed with ease. Hamed got found out when he came up against his first elite opponent and quit. I like cocky fighters and he was good for the sport..but you gotta be able to back it up.

2 years as a mandatory? You're telling me he wasn't ducking JMM because there were bigger fish to fry? Who did he fight before Barerra that had any drawing power?

[Fenster]

Naz was the draw.

Although for the record be beat the WBO, WBC, IBF, WBA/lineal featherweight champions. Guys with "world" titles, and unification matches, certainly bring more to the table than complete unknown mandatories.

As Big H said - Naz retired BEFORE Marquez had even won his first belt (Marquez actually cited his lack of a title as a reason for turning down the Naz fight when offered).

You have to understand that back then Naz was a much bigger draw than even Floyd Mayweather. Floyd's HBO deal paid around a quarter of what Naz was getting ($2m guarantee per fight).

[El Kabong]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

[Fenster]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

You've just slightly contradicted yourself here.

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing.. then you list a load of Brits that are nothing like him.

Have another try?

[El Kabong]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

You've just slightly contradicted yourself here.

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing.. then you list a load of Brits that are nothing like him.

Have another try?

I listed fighters who weren't like Naz to show they are doing well without acting like tools....unlike say David Haye and DerriCk (with a fucking C) Chisora.....who spells Derrick with a C? No wonder that kid acts like a dope

[BIG H]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

You've just slightly contradicted yourself here.

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing.. then you list a load of Brits that are nothing like him.

Have another try?

I listed fighters who weren't like Naz to show they are doing well without acting like tools....unlike say David Haye and DerriCk (with a fucking C) Chisora.....who spells Derrick with a C? No wonder that kid acts like a dope

Yeh exactly, which contradicts your point 'All that's wrong with British boxing' when you list a tonne of fighters that are not like that. Saying that he symbolized all that's wrong with British boxing insinuates that it's a common trait in British fighters, which the 2nd half of your post contradicts

[El Kabong]

Yeh exactly, which contradicts your point 'All that's wrong with British boxing' when you list a tonne of fighters that are not like that. Saying that he symbolized all that's wrong with British boxing insinuates that it's a common trait in British fighters, which the 2nd half of your post contradicts

David Haye, DerriCk Chisora both have a bit of Naseem in them and the Brits seem to gravitate to that attitude. I was giving a compliment to those in British boxing who are not like Naz.....do you not want me to? I was just saying it's easier from my point of view to like the fighters listed because they don't act like egotistical little bastards.

[ross]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

You've just slightly contradicted yourself here.

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing.. then you list a load of Brits that are nothing like him.

Have another try?

I listed fighters who weren't like Naz to show they are doing well without acting like tools....unlike say David Haye and DerriCk (with a fucking C) Chisora.....who spells Derrick with a C? No wonder that kid acts like a dope

Im getting bored of seeing whiney little bitches going on about spelling.

You have even managed to spell his name wrong still! Its Dereck! Also, he is english and I couldnt care less how its supposed to be spealt but his mother gave him an english name. Is it supposed to be spealt like that in England? You talk English (that english people invented) in america and spell it all fucking wrong. Like metre and litre, you spell it like a child would, phonetically (meter, liter). Its wrong. Im sure some mobiles are american because the predictive text gives the same spastic spellings

Also, you have to drag every topic round to something Klitschko related, what is that all about? Can you not just find a Klitschko fan site or are you a Klitschko disciple sent here to convert everyone?

[Althugz]

Naz symbolizes what is wrong with British boxing....he's all flash and when he got his shit handed to him what did he do? Did he try to prove himself? Did he try to get better? Nope he took his ball and went home like a little punk.....a certain heavyweight has copied this career strategy but another classless dope baited him into fighting again.

The reason many people were put off by Calzaghe? He had a bit too much Naz in his style.

I don't mean to disrespect Calzaghe and I'm not denying Naz's talent I just think that when you let your talent do the talking you get more respect. It's great that guys like Hatton, Froch, Cleverly, Price, & Fury are turning things around for England....those guys are a lot more likeable than Naz who although entertaining was a Chav and everybody hates those bastards.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Spot on

[Fenster]

@TitoFan

You have got very confused by the writers point. He believes it's a misconception that Naz was "humiliated" against Barrera. Here is what he said - "The history of the 2001 fight between ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has been re-written. A dominant performance by Barrera, in a competitive fight that two judges scored 115-112, has been rewritten as schooling; an embarrassing and uncompetitive boxing lesson for Hamed.The historical reality of that fight is somewhat different to its current perception."

The writer lists numerous factors why Naz retired. "Humiliation" is not one of them.

Thanks for that article though. The writer makes points that Fenster, Big H, Saddo and numerous other Saddo posters have made many times.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Naz would duck Marquez. However, when confronted with evidence to the contrary it is very foolish to continue with this line of thinking.

[TitoFan]

@TitoFan

You have got very confused by the writers point. He believes it's a misconception that Naz was "humiliated" against Barrera. Here is what he said - "The history of the 2001 fight between ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has been re-written. A dominant performance by Barrera, in a competitive fight that two judges scored 115-112, has been rewritten as schooling; an embarrassing and uncompetitive boxing lesson for Hamed.The historical reality of that fight is somewhat different to its current perception."

The writer lists numerous factors why Naz retired. "Humiliation" is not one of them.

Thanks for that article though. The writer makes points that Fenster, Big H, Saddo and numerous other Saddo posters have made many times.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Naz would duck Marquez. However, when confronted with evidence to the contrary it is very foolish to continue with this line of thinking.

And I think you totally misunderstood my intent on posting that link. Regardless of how many excuses the writer may have wanted to impress upon us about why and when Hamed quit... the timing of it still stands as odd. Prior to the Barrera fight, Hamed had pretty much had his way. He was able to: spend half an hour dancing and prancing for the camera on his way to the ring... come in on flying carpets... and basically putting on pre-fight shows that would make any choreographer envious. Then he would beat his opponent, and march triumphantly back to the dressing room.

Barrera changed all that. For all of Hamed's pre-fight bravado, Barrera owned him, manhandled him, thoroughly beat the snot out of him, and even shoved his face into the corner post for good measure.

Hamed waits a year... has one more fight so he can go out with a victory... and slinks off into the sunset. Why didn't he seek out JMM? Why didn't he seek a rematch? (Although a lot of good THAT would have done). Why did he just up and quit? Because as someone else already said on this forum... he acted like the childish kid when he gets beaten up, then takes his ball and goes home.

So with all of this as a backdrop, it sounds foolish when you or anyone else brings up the ridiculous point that somehow Juan Manuel Marquez ducked him, with the implication that JMM was scared of Hamed.

[Fenster]

I've never said Marquez was "scared" of Naz.

I've just provided evidence that Marquez refused to fight Naz when given the chance. Marquez has verified it, Beristain (his manager/trainer) has verified it and HBO (who were putting up the money to make the fight) verified it.

Naz was UNBEATEN when Marquez turned down the fight. I'm sure with hindsight he was gutted watching Barrera beat Naz. I bet he was saying - "that could have been me, why did I duck the prince, Nacho you said he was too tricky and awkward, I'm fighting for peanuts when I could have made $500,000"

[Andre]

@TitoFan

You have got very confused by the writers point. He believes it's a misconception that Naz was "humiliated" against Barrera. Here is what he said - "The history of the 2001 fight between ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has been re-written. A dominant performance by Barrera, in a competitive fight that two judges scored 115-112, has been rewritten as schooling; an embarrassing and uncompetitive boxing lesson for Hamed.The historical reality of that fight is somewhat different to its current perception."

The writer lists numerous factors why Naz retired. "Humiliation" is not one of them.

Thanks for that article though. The writer makes points that Fenster, Big H, Saddo and numerous other Saddo posters have made many times.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Naz would duck Marquez. However, when confronted with evidence to the contrary it is very foolish to continue with this line of thinking.

And I think you totally misunderstood my intent on posting that link. Regardless of how many excuses the writer may have wanted to impress upon us about why and when Hamed quit... the timing of it still stands as odd. Prior to the Barrera fight, Hamed had pretty much had his way. He was able to: spend half an hour dancing and prancing for the camera on his way to the ring... come in on flying carpets... and basically putting on pre-fight shows that would make any choreographer envious. Then he would beat his opponent, and march triumphantly back to the dressing room.

Barrera changed all that. For all of Hamed's pre-fight bravado, Barrera owned him, manhandled him, thoroughly beat the snot out of him, and even shoved his face into the corner post for good measure.

Hamed waits a year... has one more fight so he can go out with a victory... and slinks off into the sunset. Why didn't he seek out JMM? Why didn't he seek a rematch? (Although a lot of good THAT would have done). Why did he just up and quit? Because as someone else already said on this forum... he acted like the childish kid when he gets beaten up, then takes his ball and goes home.

So with all of this as a backdrop, it sounds foolish when you or anyone else brings up the ridiculous point that somehow Juan Manuel Marquez ducked him, with the implication that JMM was scared of Hamed.

Agreed, I dont think any of them were scared of any of them as fighters what was scarey for them would be the loss of the gravy train not the beating off another fighter.

Aside from in the mind of the fighter they wouldnt think just one fight ahead its a ladder of events in the planning to make the most cash and get the punters involved.

I recon Nazes controllers avoided Marquez for a couple of years because of risk of the loss of the gravy train in one fight.
Same goes for Marquez, once Naz eventually decided he can have a shot, Marquez probably had his route to the best fighters and more paydays laid out in his mind and didnt want to take a risk with a big hitter for one paycheck and disrupt his aim at a great legacy (as it turned out).

[Althugz]

Greenbeanz for future reference tagging me left, right and centre doesn't mean I will respond to or read your essays. I'm on my mobile mostly and don't see them. Luckily, I've realised that whenever you post it's almost a guarantee my name will come up and sure enough, it did.

I never said I liked Naz for the record. I said I appreciated his attitude and character. Also that he was one of the last of an era. Similar to Eubank. Guys who created drama, got you excited and made you want to tune in to their fights. Their records were worse than JC's (which is saying something) but they made a lot more money because of the excitement they brought to the sport.

That is wayyy different to Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe was arrogant but had zero attitude or charisma like Naz/Eubank. I also respect Eubank because if you ask him, in hindsight, now about his career he'll be truthful about his limitations. JC is still as arrogant in retirement.