An explation as to why two big boxing names never met

[TitoFan]

@TitoFan

You have got very confused by the writers point. He believes it's a misconception that Naz was "humiliated" against Barrera. Here is what he said - "The history of the 2001 fight between ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has been re-written. A dominant performance by Barrera, in a competitive fight that two judges scored 115-112, has been rewritten as schooling; an embarrassing and uncompetitive boxing lesson for Hamed.The historical reality of that fight is somewhat different to its current perception."

The writer lists numerous factors why Naz retired. "Humiliation" is not one of them.

Thanks for that article though. The writer makes points that Fenster, Big H, Saddo and numerous other Saddo posters have made many times.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Naz would duck Marquez. However, when confronted with evidence to the contrary it is very foolish to continue with this line of thinking.

And I think you totally misunderstood my intent on posting that link. Regardless of how many excuses the writer may have wanted to impress upon us about why and when Hamed quit... the timing of it still stands as odd. Prior to the Barrera fight, Hamed had pretty much had his way. He was able to: spend half an hour dancing and prancing for the camera on his way to the ring... come in on flying carpets... and basically putting on pre-fight shows that would make any choreographer envious. Then he would beat his opponent, and march triumphantly back to the dressing room.

Barrera changed all that. For all of Hamed's pre-fight bravado, Barrera owned him, manhandled him, thoroughly beat the snot out of him, and even shoved his face into the corner post for good measure.

Hamed waits a year... has one more fight so he can go out with a victory... and slinks off into the sunset. Why didn't he seek out JMM? Why didn't he seek a rematch? (Although a lot of good THAT would have done). Why did he just up and quit? Because as someone else already said on this forum... he acted like the childish kid when he gets beaten up, then takes his ball and goes home.

So with all of this as a backdrop, it sounds foolish when you or anyone else brings up the ridiculous point that somehow Juan Manuel Marquez ducked him, with the implication that JMM was scared of Hamed.

[Fenster]

I've never said Marquez was "scared" of Naz.

I've just provided evidence that Marquez refused to fight Naz when given the chance. Marquez has verified it, Beristain (his manager/trainer) has verified it and HBO (who were putting up the money to make the fight) verified it.

Naz was UNBEATEN when Marquez turned down the fight. I'm sure with hindsight he was gutted watching Barrera beat Naz. I bet he was saying - "that could have been me, why did I duck the prince, Nacho you said he was too tricky and awkward, I'm fighting for peanuts when I could have made $500,000"

[TitoFan]

I've never said Marquez was "scared" of Naz. I'm glad you made that clear.

I've just provided evidence that Marquez refused to fight Naz when given the chance. Marquez has verified it, Beristain (his manager/trainer) has verified it and HBO (who were putting up the money to make the fight) verified it.

Naz was UNBEATEN when Marquez turned down the fight. I'm sure with hindsight he was gutted watching Barrera beat Naz. I bet he was saying - "that could have been me, why did I duck the prince, Nacho you said he was too tricky and awkward, I'm fighting for peanuts when I could have made $500,000"

You caught me in a good mood today (rare). So I did get a chuckle out of the blue bolded part.
What the hell.....

I do think JMM had all the tools to give Hamed a double dose of what Barrera gave him. But the Prince never gave him that chance, since he decided to abruptly quit and walk away. I didn't like the little prick... but he did have skills. And a fight between him and JMM would've been fun to watch.

[Andre]

@TitoFan

You have got very confused by the writers point. He believes it's a misconception that Naz was "humiliated" against Barrera. Here is what he said - "The history of the 2001 fight between ‘Prince’ Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has been re-written. A dominant performance by Barrera, in a competitive fight that two judges scored 115-112, has been rewritten as schooling; an embarrassing and uncompetitive boxing lesson for Hamed.The historical reality of that fight is somewhat different to its current perception."

The writer lists numerous factors why Naz retired. "Humiliation" is not one of them.

Thanks for that article though. The writer makes points that Fenster, Big H, Saddo and numerous other Saddo posters have made many times.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Naz would duck Marquez. However, when confronted with evidence to the contrary it is very foolish to continue with this line of thinking.

And I think you totally misunderstood my intent on posting that link. Regardless of how many excuses the writer may have wanted to impress upon us about why and when Hamed quit... the timing of it still stands as odd. Prior to the Barrera fight, Hamed had pretty much had his way. He was able to: spend half an hour dancing and prancing for the camera on his way to the ring... come in on flying carpets... and basically putting on pre-fight shows that would make any choreographer envious. Then he would beat his opponent, and march triumphantly back to the dressing room.

Barrera changed all that. For all of Hamed's pre-fight bravado, Barrera owned him, manhandled him, thoroughly beat the snot out of him, and even shoved his face into the corner post for good measure.

Hamed waits a year... has one more fight so he can go out with a victory... and slinks off into the sunset. Why didn't he seek out JMM? Why didn't he seek a rematch? (Although a lot of good THAT would have done). Why did he just up and quit? Because as someone else already said on this forum... he acted like the childish kid when he gets beaten up, then takes his ball and goes home.

So with all of this as a backdrop, it sounds foolish when you or anyone else brings up the ridiculous point that somehow Juan Manuel Marquez ducked him, with the implication that JMM was scared of Hamed.

Agreed, I dont think any of them were scared of any of them as fighters what was scarey for them would be the loss of the gravy train not the beating off another fighter.

Aside from in the mind of the fighter they wouldnt think just one fight ahead its a ladder of events in the planning to make the most cash and get the punters involved.

I recon Nazes controllers avoided Marquez for a couple of years because of risk of the loss of the gravy train in one fight.
Same goes for Marquez, once Naz eventually decided he can have a shot, Marquez probably had his route to the best fighters and more paydays laid out in his mind and didnt want to take a risk with a big hitter for one paycheck and disrupt his aim at a great legacy (as it turned out).