a point of pure speculation

[Hulk]

Hang on... We're matching a prime Jones Jr against a green Casius Clay?

Stretching it a bit?

I think its debatable if Jones was still prime when he faced Ruiz, Miles. Clay who beat Liston even vs. Roy Jones who beat Ruiz. I'll take Roy.

Clay/Ali has an aura and deserves all the accolades, but he was not unbeatable.

Henry Cooper essentially KO'd him then Ali was given over 10 mins to recover when Dundee ripped open a glove. And no that is not a myth, it is a fact. One that has been recounted on documentaries and by Dundee himself.

[AdamGB]

It was closer to 10 seconds than ten minutes... 0_o

Fact is that you're still talking about a Jones who was at the very least NEAR his peak and more experienced than cas clay was.

Jones at a comparable point in his career to when clay fought cooper had not long moved up from 154lb

If you compare two fighters then it's only fair to compare them at similar times.

I'd beat Ali AND Jones on the same day.
(if I boxed them now, the first time they sparred)

Edit: did you just call me 'Miles'?

Fucking cunt! Wash your mouth with soap.

[AdamGB]

Clay v Cooper - The Final Word On The Torn Glove Story

...but people do love a good story, so the legend persists.

[Hulk]

It was closer to 10 seconds than ten minutes... 0_o

Fact is that you're still talking about a Jones who was at the very least NEAR his peak and more experienced than cas clay was.

Jones at a comparable point in his career to when clay fought cooper had not long moved up from 154lb

If you compare two fighters then it's only fair to compare them at similar times.

I'd beat Ali AND Jones on the same day.
(if I boxed them now, the first time they sparred)

Edit: did you just call me 'Miles'?

Fucking cunt! Wash your mouth with soap.

Consider it a compliment you cheeky cunt !

And I said Clay who fought Liston vs. Jones who fought Ruiz.

Jesus Christ we both know Jones would have been a more difficult match up for Ali than a relatively stationary James Toney.

And it wasn't 10 seconds, thats nonsense. The myth is that the glove incident was short or never occurred, not that it was long.

And if we are to compare them at similar times then Jones who beat Ruiz vs. Ali who beat Leon Spinks.

There thats fair

[Hulk]

And I see your Eastsideboxing source regarding the glove tear and raise you this:

Remembrance: Trainer Angelo Dundee Was At His Best In The Corner For Ali, Leonard And More

I don't like Kevin Iole but he is Yahoo Sports top boxing/mma writer. I don't think he would subscribe to an urban legend or myth.

And here is another article recounting the events as well:

Angelo Dundee never forgot his Philly roots - Page 3 - Philly.com

BUT...I could be wrong.

[DavilaJones]

I'm just glad my whiskey induced thoughts provoked this much interest

As for Jones Vs Ali...I think ht would an anticlimatic fight as neither fighters like to come forward since they have a much easier time goading their opponents to come at [them.]

In terms of pure speed Jones has it over ali and I think he had a better left hook by far, he also goes to the body, though not consistantly enough for my taste, however Ali's jab...well that jab wins championship fights.

In a sense it would be akin to wlad vs Haye (the pussification of Haye aside). one fighter trying home in the jab and the other trying to find an opportunity to throw in sharp counter punches.

[Master]

Hang on... We're matching a prime Jones Jr against a green Casius Clay?

Stretching it a bit?

I think its debatable if Jones was still prime when he faced Ruiz, Miles. Clay who beat Liston even vs. Roy Jones who beat Ruiz. I'll take Roy.

Clay/Ali has an aura and deserves all the accolades, but he was not unbeatable.

Henry Cooper essentially KO'd him then Ali was given over 10 mins to recover when Dundee ripped open a glove. And no that is not a myth, it is a fact. One that has been recounted on documentaries and by Dundee himself.

Hulk by your equation a young Ali v Herbie Hide would have been a close contest too.