ESPN FNF thread - featuring Kelly "the reformed sod" Pavlik

[captainanddew]

Kelly needs to realise what a goldmine he could still be.

Hes american, a former champion and white. He can make millions again if he can.

He wont beat froch though.

I wish the dude all the best, he needs to get back to doing what made him a champion, with a few new wrinkles. I believe he's living in California now, and has a new trainer, hopefully he can turn his life and career back around.

Kelly needs to, its horrible seeing a former world champion having problems with alcohol when they can potentially still make a name for himself. I like Pavlik he's a strong fighter and is capable of doing well at the top. Let's hope he does well tonight and gets himself back in the mix at 168, he did comment on How he wasn't impressed with Froch, well I want to see the Pavlik I remembered watching when he was up for it knocking out Miranda and Taylor, Lockett etc.

It seems Pavlik has a lot of reedeming to do after the cancelling of the fights and his problems, but no doubt if he has sorted himself out and performs tonight he will get himself back up in the 168 mix.

Even if Pavlik and Abraham reclaim some of their former glory they won't beat the truly elite guys at 168. Kessler, froch, ward, are all much better than Pavlik and Abraham.

Pavlik's big wins are Miranda and Taylor twice. Not exactly a murderer's row of fights.
Abraham's big wins are Miranda and ??

not saying those guys weren't good, but 160 wasn't the true elite division that 168 has been for the last few years. If there had been the same talent at 160, that there has been at 168, then Pavlik and Abraham would have been top 10 guys and not near the top of the division.

[Tam Seddon]

Kelly needs to realise what a goldmine he could still be.

Hes american, a former champion and white. He can make millions again if he can.

He wont beat froch though.

I wish the dude all the best, he needs to get back to doing what made him a champion, with a few new wrinkles. I believe he's living in California now, and has a new trainer, hopefully he can turn his life and career back around.

Kelly needs to, its horrible seeing a former world champion having problems with alcohol when they can potentially still make a name for himself. I like Pavlik he's a strong fighter and is capable of doing well at the top. Let's hope he does well tonight and gets himself back in the mix at 168, he did comment on How he wasn't impressed with Froch, well I want to see the Pavlik I remembered watching when he was up for it knocking out Miranda and Taylor, Lockett etc.

It seems Pavlik has a lot of reedeming to do after the cancelling of the fights and his problems, but no doubt if he has sorted himself out and performs tonight he will get himself back up in the 168 mix.

Even if Pavlik and Abraham reclaim some of their former glory they won't beat the truly elite guys at 168. Kessler, froch, ward, are all much better than Pavlik and Abraham.

Pavlik's big wins are Miranda and Taylor twice. Not exactly a murderer's row of fights.
Abraham's big wins are Miranda and ??

not saying those guys weren't good, but 160 wasn't the true elite division that 168 has been for the last few years. If there had been the same talent at 160, that there has been at 168, then Pavlik and Abraham would have been top 10 guys and not near the top of the division.

Abraham has proved that he's not amongst the 168 elite and I don't know how he will do against Steglitz. No doubt he will want to keep hold of that belt for a while if he does win, so that takes Abraham out of the picture IMO. He will just make defences WBO Germany style, defending against other Europeian fighters so no doubt Abraham is out of the picture.

Pavlik however I don't know, I think he's more of a puncher than Abraham and with him being a former American middlleweight champion he offers a lot more to the table than Abraham does. Pavlik is relitiavlry untested at 168 and he is growing into the weight, so we will see how he gets on tonight and move forward from there. I personally wouldn't mind seeing Pavlik getting another chance as long as he does stay sober and problem free, he's enjoyable to watch and a good fighter.

[Hulk]

Its good to see mostly positive sentiments for Pavlik. I would like to see the guy get back into the big time as well. I hope he gets an impressive KO win tonight and gets himself a big fight.

Yes, he was talkin shit about Froch and Bute, but thats what you have to do sometimes to get yourself back in the mix.

[captainanddew]

for pavlik and abraham there is some good fights at 168. They just don't involve Kessler, Froch, Ward, or "Headaches". Those guys will outclass them every time.

Pavlik and Abraham would make for fun fights against the 2nd rung of talent at 168. The non-elite beltholder-stieglitz. the hardnosed vet, Bika. The up and comers Oosthuizen, Rodriguez, Groves, Degale, Stevenson.

If I was running Pavlik or Abraham's career I would be trying to have my guy fighting good fighters like those named above, but avoid the elite 4 like the plague.

[Mars_ax]

College Baseball will likely delay the start of FNF, looks like the game has a couple innings left.

[TigerFan]

College Baseball will likely delay the start of FNF, looks like the game has a couple innings left.

Damn 17-1 Florida State. Don't they have a mercy rule in college...or is that void since it's the CWS?

[Spicoli]

Wow. FSU leads 17-1 . No chance of a "Heidi Game" in this one, if ESPN had any class it would at least show the LIVE card in a picture in picture

[Mars_ax]

I can't imagine why ESPN schedules some of the shit they do before FNF's.

[Tam Seddon]

Its good to see mostly positive sentiments for Pavlik. I would like to see the guy get back into the big time as well. I hope he gets an impressive KO win tonight and gets himself a big fight.

Yes, he was talkin shit about Froch and Bute, but thats what you have to do sometimes to get yourself back in the mix.

I do know what you mean, but I think he was a bit too critical on Froch, he should have been a bit more humble like Ward was who posted on twitter saying Froch is a good fighter who deserves respect for what he did to Bute. I think Pavlik has the potential to get a big fight if he performs tonight and works his way to a title. I would like to see a big name for him by the end of the year. He should build his name again through peformance, not slagging Froch off, when Pavlik has been on the sidelines being an alcoholic. But this is up to Pavlik where he goes from here now, he's talking the talk so let's see if he can keep to it and get himself back into the picture.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Amir Khan is so full of shit hahaha

[Mars_ax]

Amir Khan is so full of shit hahaha

He must be living in the States now, i've got to agree with him about Peterson being a fucking cheater.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Amir Khan is so full of shit hahaha

He must be living in the States now, i've got to agree with him about Peterson being a fucking cheater.

I find it funny that ANYONE coming out of Wildcard will be arguing that there should be random testing when the gym's Golden Child (Pacquiao) has always refused or found a way out of having to do so

[Spicoli]

How about that...Canelo may wait and possibly face Ortiz wins his June fight ?

Congrats to Al Bernstein and Mark Johnson on HOF! Bout' time.

[Mars_ax]

How about that...Canelo may wait and possibly face Ortiz wins his June fight ?

Congrats to Al Bernstein and Mark Johnson on HOF! Bout' time.

Yep, Tommy Hearns and Roach belong there too.