Top 10 heavyweights of wlad's era...

[El Kabong]

Peak Tyson beats Wlad, who will not be able to hold off the ferocity of Tyson’s combination punching, speed, accuracy and power. Wlad will try and hold, paw with his jab, panic and get knocked out in 5-6 rounds. Other than that Wlad does OK against Tyson.

Wlad 6'6....Mike Tyson 5'10
Wlad's reach 81".....Tyson's 71"
Weight Wlad 244...Tyson 218

Sure he's quick and fast and all, but I just don't see Tyson beating Wlad at Wlad's peak.

[rjj tszyu]

Peak Tyson beats Wlad, who will not be able to hold off the ferocity of Tyson’s combination punching, speed, accuracy and power. Wlad will try and hold, paw with his jab, panic and get knocked out in 5-6 rounds. Other than that Wlad does OK against Tyson.

Wlad 6'6....Mike Tyson 5'10
Wlad's reach 81".....Tyson's 71"
Weight Wlad 244...Tyson 218

Sure he's quick and fast and all, but I just don't see Tyson beating Wlad at Wlad's peak.

Tyson only ever fought one person who was in the Premier League and was similar sizewise to Wlad and he got schooled.

As for all this prime Tyson shit, I don't buy it. Tyson fought Bruno in '89 and got hurt but when he came out of prison and fought him again in '96 he beat the shit out of Bruno and Bruno had improved in that time too. I just find that Tyson fans like to fall back on him being past it, I on the other hand prefer to look at WHO he fought in this time and in his PRIME he fought no one after it he fought Lennox and Evander got schooled and then Tyson fans just claim he's past it.

He was still blowing bums away though just like in his prime

[Master]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

[Hulk]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

[rjj tszyu]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

Yes but Master they were all shit. Obliterate bums all you want Lamar Clark did that, what happened when he fought anyone half decent? He got schooled too!

[Master]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

Yes but Master they were all shit. Obliterate bums all you want Lamar Clark did that, what happened when he fought anyone half decent? He got schooled too!

Exactly these people are criticising Tyson’s opposition yet Wlad’s are embarrassingly lame. Even then Wlad is so cautious that he bores them to death before he goes in for the kill. Wlad is a good champion and can only beat what is put in front of him but keep it real. Tyson would flatten Wlad pre clinch or post clinch version.

[Hulk]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

Yes but Master they were all shit. Obliterate bums all you want Lamar Clark did that, what happened when he fought anyone half decent? He got schooled too!

Exactly these people are criticising Tyson’s opposition yet Wlad’s are embarrassingly lame. Even then Wlad is so cautious that he bores them to death before he goes in for the kill. Wlad is a good champion and can only beat what is put in front of him but keep it real. Tyson would flatten Wlad pre clinch or post clinch version.

Wlad's opposition is bigger but definitely not better than that of Mike Tyson.

And Tony Thompson wouldn't last 6 rounds with Tyson, he's big and he's got guts, but he's slowwwwwwwwwww as a glacier.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

You underrate sultan.

Actually Mike Tyson loved this guy. Tyson said he had simliar hand speed to himself and nice skills. Tyson wanted to be in his corner for the Wlad fight but couldn't leave the state after legal issues.



Ibragimov aka Barney Rubble an olympic silver medallist (more than tyson ever got) who looked about as tough as cream pie.

Very good fighter! not flashy or anything but he fought smart...an intelligent fighter indeed and actually quite slick! Byrd v ibragimov would have been a chess match..

He was good enough to beat everyone not named Klitschko in my view. Always said he is the one heavy who should come back. He had fast hands, power, and could punch or box from his southpaw stance. His performances against briggs and an ageing holyfield were pretty much boxing clinics...and let's not forget he fought his way to a heavyweight unification fight! Wlad gave him massive respect in that fight (boring style clash) but klitschko was aware of iggies ability no doubt...

Oh well. Hope he is happy. took the money and got out with his health and respect in tact, good luck to him.

[Hulk]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

You underrate sultan.

Actually Mike Tyson loved this guy. Tyson said he had simliar hand speed to himself and nice skills. Tyson wanted to be in his corner for the Wlad fight but couldn't leave the state after legal issues.



Ibragimov aka Barney Rubble an olympic silver medallist (more than tyson ever got) who looked about as tough as cream pie.

Very good fighter! not flashy or anything but he fought smart...an intelligent fighter indeed and actually quite slick! Byrd v ibragimov would have been a chess match..

He was good enough to beat everyone not named Klitschko in my view. Always said he is the one heavy who should come back. He had fast hands, power, and could punch or box from his southpaw stance. His performances against briggs and an ageing holyfield were pretty much boxing clinics...and let's not forget he fought his way to a heavyweight unification fight! Wlad gave him massive respect in that fight (boring style clash) but klitschko was aware of iggies ability no doubt...

Oh well. Hope he is happy. took the money and got out with his health and respect in tact, good luck to him.

Did you see his fight with Ray Austin ?

Wasn't exactly Ali-Fraizer.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

[El Kabong]

Tyson only ever fought one person who was in the Premier League and was similar sizewise to Wlad and he got schooled.

As for all this prime Tyson shit, I don't buy it. Tyson fought Bruno in '89 and got hurt but when he came out of prison and fought him again in '96 he beat the shit out of Bruno and Bruno had improved in that time too. I just find that Tyson fans like to fall back on him being past it, I on the other hand prefer to look at WHO he fought in this time and in his PRIME he fought no one after it he fought Lennox and Evander got schooled and then Tyson fans just claim he's past it.

He was still blowing bums away though just like in his prime

People don't like to be realistic about their favorites. I'm certain I view Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, George Foreman, and The Klitschko brothers that way, but I don't think it's any more or less ridiculous as the Tyson and Ali assumptions that they were the 2 single best fighters ever in the history of the sport. These athletes are men, they aren't perfect and they all had their issues with certain styles at certain points in time in their careers.

I like to see what matchups would cause a fighter the most trouble and ponder the results of that hypothetical match. For example the Wlad-Holyfield in 2000 match. This is the post Purrity but pre Sanders & more importantly pre Brewster Wlad who fought in a crouch and went in to fight both guns a blazin' vs the post Lewis rematch Holyfield who just barely eeked by John Ruiz. To give some background, in 2002 Wladimir demolished Ray Mercer in 6 rounds becoming the first ever fighter to stop him. Now I concede Wlad's chin is suspect, his defense at this time was horrible, he was a 1 dimensional fighter and Holyfield was as durable as the day is long until the James Toney fight where he tore his rotator cuff. That being said, Holyfield's lack of punching power and ever so slightly diminished punching output could have allowed Wladimir to really bust him up for 5-6 rounds, the problems would come later and either Wlad wears down or wears down Evander and to me that's a great question in hindsight.


For Mike Tyson, the matches I think would have really boosted his legacy (not that it needed it) would have been post prison matches vs Riddick Bowe & Shannon Briggs, maybe Michael Moorer or George Foreman as well. Now I am 100% certain Foreman would manhandle Tyson at damn near any point in his career. As much of a monster as Tyson was, Foreman was bigger...meaner...and scarier. Riddick Bowe & Michael Moorer both beat Evander Holyfield who was Tyson's main nemisis. Moorer had speed and good power, but I think durability would have been his worst enemy vs Tyson ALTHOUGH MM took Holyfield's best shots when Tyson did not so it would have been interesting to see that play out. Riddick Bowe had the style to beat Tyson, the size, the skill, the heart....butI think his power is overrated, his chin is overrated, and he did not has discipline in the ring. Bowe would give up his height and reach on numerous occasions and it would make the fight more difficult for himself...Tyson could have beaten Bowe IMO. Shannon Briggs was one of the most dangerous fighters of recent memory. Big, fast hands, powerful, and athletic...a post prison Tyson would have trouble, but the heart of Briggs was occasionally weak and if anyone could make you question yourself in the ring it would have to be Tyson....Tommy Morrison would have also been a good fight and a HUGE money maker. If Tyson fought Morrison it would have been damn near close to Holmes-Cooney in regards to hype and electricity around the match, Tyson probably wins that one as well, but it would have been damn fun to watch.

[TitoFan]

Peak Tyson beats Wlad, who will not be able to hold off the ferocity of Tyson’s combination punching, speed, accuracy and power. Wlad will try and hold, paw with his jab, panic and get knocked out in 5-6 rounds. Other than that Wlad does OK against Tyson.

Wlad 6'6....Mike Tyson 5'10
Wlad's reach 81".....Tyson's 71"
Weight Wlad 244...Tyson 218

Sure he's quick and fast and all, but I just don't see Tyson beating Wlad at Wlad's peak.

I don't see the point of using height and reach as arguments. Razor Ruddock was 6-3, with an 82" reach..... and prime Tyson handled him just fine. And Wlad's chin is more questionable than Razor's. It's ok to give Wlad his props.... but a prime Tyson takes him apart.

Wlad would not fight Tyson like Buster Douglas fought him.... driving him back.... refusing to be bullied.... trading with Tyson. That's not Wlad's style. And if and when Tyson ever connected one of those haymakers against Wlad, it would be "good night Irene". Gotta keep it real.

[IamInuit]

Peak Tyson beats Wlad, who will not be able to hold off the ferocity of Tyson’s combination punching, speed, accuracy and power. Wlad will try and hold, paw with his jab, panic and get knocked out in 5-6 rounds. Other than that Wlad does OK against Tyson.

Wlad 6'6....Mike Tyson 5'10
Wlad's reach 81".....Tyson's 71"
Weight Wlad 244...Tyson 218

Sure he's quick and fast and all, but I just don't see Tyson beating Wlad at Wlad's peak.

I don't see the point of using height and reach as arguments. Razor Ruddock was 6-3, with an 82" reach..... and prime Tyson handled him just fine. And Wlad's chin is more questionable than Razor's. It's ok to give Wlad his props.... but a prime Tyson takes him apart.

Wlad would not fight Tyson like Buster Douglas fought him.... driving him back.... refusing to be bullied.... trading with Tyson. That's not Wlad's style. And if and when Tyson ever connected one of those haymakers against Wlad, it would be "good night Irene". Gotta keep it real.

Exactly.

There are two Wlads in the same career. The pre-clinch Wlad and the post-clinch Wlad. I’m sure the Wlad that learned how to clinch gives Tyson a tougher out but really the prime Tyson prior to getting ruined completely by King would have butchered Wlad and I’m no fan of either. Reach and height are negated here by speed, pin point freight train punching and some of the best head movement ever. Add this to Wlads notorious slow starts and he’s a goner. He might want to put a couple of ads on the bottom of his shoes.

[p4pking]

Peak Tyson beats Wlad, who will not be able to hold off the ferocity of Tyson’s combination punching, speed, accuracy and power. Wlad will try and hold, paw with his jab, panic and get knocked out in 5-6 rounds. Other than that Wlad does OK against Tyson.

Wlad 6'6....Mike Tyson 5'10
Wlad's reach 81".....Tyson's 71"
Weight Wlad 244...Tyson 218

Sure he's quick and fast and all, but I just don't see Tyson beating Wlad at Wlad's peak.

I don't see the point of using height and reach as arguments. Razor Ruddock was 6-3, with an 82" reach..... and prime Tyson handled him just fine. And Wlad's chin is more questionable than Razor's. It's ok to give Wlad his props.... but a prime Tyson takes him apart.

Wlad would not fight Tyson like Buster Douglas fought him.... driving him back.... refusing to be bullied.... trading with Tyson. That's not Wlad's style. And if and when Tyson ever connected one of those haymakers against Wlad, it would be "good night Irene". Gotta keep it real.

Exactly.

There are two Wlads in the same career. The pre-clinch Wlad and the post-clinch Wlad. I’m sure the Wlad that learned how to clinch gives Tyson a tougher out but really the prime Tyson prior to getting ruined completely by King would have butchered Wlad and I’m no fan of either. Reach and height are negated here by speed, pin point freight train punching and some of the best head movement ever. Add this to Wlads notorious slow starts and he’s a goner. He might want to put a couple of ads on the bottom of his shoes.

Agree with the both of you. Tyson struggled with Tony Tucker, Green and to an extent Ruddock(although that was already well past Tysons best form), but those guys had chins. I can't envision any way Wlad would avoid getting tagged early and hence losing by KO, simple as.

[El Kabong]

It would actually take Mike Tyson quite some time to stop Tony Thompson.