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[TitoFan]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

[Onix]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

Observers say I weigh like 170lbs but in reality I weigh like 200...in other words observers dont know shit so we cannot speculate on that and use it as a fact. However assuming Chavez did weigh that much, well isnt that part of the game? I mean you literally spelled out "THATS WHY THEY HAVE WEIGH-INS" well ill spell one out for you..."THATS WHY THE WEIGH-INS ARE A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT"

I mean it cant be ok for one and not the other just because you dont like Mexican fighters....just kidding its Mexican fans you cant stand haha

[TitoFan]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

Observers say I weigh like 170lbs but in reality I weigh like 200...in other words observers dont know shit so we cannot speculate on that and use it as a fact. However assuming Chavez did weigh that much, well isnt that part of the game? I mean you literally spelled out "THATS WHY THEY HAVE WEIGH-INS" well ill spell one out for you..."THATS WHY THE WEIGH-INS ARE A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT"

I mean it cant be ok for one and not the other just because you dont like Mexican fighters....just kidding its Mexican fans you cant stand haha

"Observers" is a relative term. The observers that thought Chavez looked like 180 pounds (and of course there's no need for him to get weighed the day of the fight) are more than the casual observers off the street. But whatever. The consensus seems to be that Chavez has an unfair advantage over his opponents by rehydrating so outlandishly after the weigh-in. And then there's the spectre of doping, which Junior has not totally dispelled. There was no such outcry when Cotto fought Pac. Matter of fact, some said Pac looked even slightly bigger than Cotto on fight night. Not that I'm in agreement, but they at least looked the same size.

[Onix]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

Oh and one more thing, Cotto is a warrior in the ring and gives it his all...up until the moment he is getting his ass beat, then runs around the ring "like some scared shitless little girl with his tail stuck between his legs" See Cotto VS MArgarito I, see Cotto VS Pac, hell he even was running around from Mosley in a fight he won.

Observers say I weigh like 170lbs but in reality I weigh like 200...in other words observers dont know shit so we cannot speculate on that and use it as a fact. However assuming Chavez did weigh that much, well isnt that part of the game? I mean you literally spelled out "THATS WHY THEY HAVE WEIGH-INS" well ill spell one out for you..."THATS WHY THE WEIGH-INS ARE A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT"

I mean it cant be ok for one and not the other just because you dont like Mexican fighters....just kidding its Mexican fans you cant stand haha

"Observers" is a relative term. The observers that thought Chavez looked like 180 pounds (and of course there's no need for him to get weighed the day of the fight) are more than the casual observers off the street. But whatever. The consensus seems to be that Chavez has an unfair advantage over his opponents by rehydrating so outlandishly after the weigh-in. And then there's the spectre of doping, which Junior has not totally dispelled. There was no such outcry when Cotto fought Pac. Matter of fact, some said Pac looked even slightly bigger than Cotto on fight night. Not that I'm in agreement, but they at least looked the same size.

Ok but you are getting off point. You stated that Haye has no right to complain, if he cant take it from the heavyweights because they are that much bigger than he needs to move down, thats why they have weihg-ins right?? As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

[TitoFan]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

Oh and one more thing, Cotto is a warrior in the ring and gives it his all...up until the moment he is getting his ass beat, then runs around the ring "like some scared shitless little girl with his tail stuck between his legs" See Cotto VS MArgarito I, see Cotto VS Pac, hell he even was running around from Mosley in a fight he won.

Observers say I weigh like 170lbs but in reality I weigh like 200...in other words observers dont know shit so we cannot speculate on that and use it as a fact. However assuming Chavez did weigh that much, well isnt that part of the game? I mean you literally spelled out "THATS WHY THEY HAVE WEIGH-INS" well ill spell one out for you..."THATS WHY THE WEIGH-INS ARE A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT"

I mean it cant be ok for one and not the other just because you dont like Mexican fighters....just kidding its Mexican fans you cant stand haha

"Observers" is a relative term. The observers that thought Chavez looked like 180 pounds (and of course there's no need for him to get weighed the day of the fight) are more than the casual observers off the street. But whatever. The consensus seems to be that Chavez has an unfair advantage over his opponents by rehydrating so outlandishly after the weigh-in. And then there's the spectre of doping, which Junior has not totally dispelled. There was no such outcry when Cotto fought Pac. Matter of fact, some said Pac looked even slightly bigger than Cotto on fight night. Not that I'm in agreement, but they at least looked the same size.

Ok but you are getting off point.
(You're the one who dragged Chavez into this thread).



You stated that Haye has no right to complain, if he cant take it from the heavyweights because they are that much bigger than he needs to move down, thats why they have weihg-ins right?? As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

Ok... you went from Chavez to Haye to Chavez. Let's stay on one topic, ok? So now you're defending Chavez from the doping suspicions although most boxing observers feel there's something shady about the way he's avoided providing piss tests at least twice, am I correct? Well, yes..... nothing's been proven. That's an ironclad defense I guess.



I prefer the boxers who I'm a fan of, to have no suspicious behavior to have to be defending all the time. I don't expect you to understand.

As for Haye... he chooses to fight at HW. Heavyweight is open-ended. You can weigh 400 pounds, if you'd like. If he chooses to fight at HW, then his running from Wlad is disgraceful, and Fenster's defending it is just as disgraceful.

Anything else?

[Onix]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

Oh and one more thing, Cotto is a warrior in the ring and gives it his all...up until the moment he is getting his ass beat, then runs around the ring "like some scared shitless little girl with his tail stuck between his legs" See Cotto VS MArgarito I, see Cotto VS Pac, hell he even was running around from Mosley in a fight he won.

Observers say I weigh like 170lbs but in reality I weigh like 200...in other words observers dont know shit so we cannot speculate on that and use it as a fact. However assuming Chavez did weigh that much, well isnt that part of the game? I mean you literally spelled out "THATS WHY THEY HAVE WEIGH-INS" well ill spell one out for you..."THATS WHY THE WEIGH-INS ARE A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT"

I mean it cant be ok for one and not the other just because you dont like Mexican fighters....just kidding its Mexican fans you cant stand haha

"Observers" is a relative term. The observers that thought Chavez looked like 180 pounds (and of course there's no need for him to get weighed the day of the fight) are more than the casual observers off the street. But whatever. The consensus seems to be that Chavez has an unfair advantage over his opponents by rehydrating so outlandishly after the weigh-in. And then there's the spectre of doping, which Junior has not totally dispelled. There was no such outcry when Cotto fought Pac. Matter of fact, some said Pac looked even slightly bigger than Cotto on fight night. Not that I'm in agreement, but they at least looked the same size.

Ok but you are getting off point.
(You're the one who dragged Chavez into this thread).



You stated that Haye has no right to complain, if he cant take it from the heavyweights because they are that much bigger than he needs to move down, thats why they have weihg-ins right?? As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

Ok... you went from Chavez to Haye to Chavez. Let's stay on one topic, ok? So now you're defending Chavez from the doping suspicions although most boxing observers feel there's something shady about the way he's avoided providing piss tests at least twice, am I correct? Well, yes..... nothing's been proven. That's an ironclad defense I guess.



I prefer the boxers who I'm a fan of, to have no suspicious behavior to have to be defending all the time. I don't expect you to understand.

As for Haye... he chooses to fight at HW. Heavyweight is open-ended. You can weigh 400 pounds, if you'd like. If he chooses to fight at HW, then his running from Wlad is disgraceful, and Fenster's defending it is just as disgraceful.

Anything else?

Ya, why do you think your shit dont stink? I understand what you are saying about the boxers you prefer there are alot of boxers that I support that dont have any asteriks in their careers however we are not talking about them. You saying that I switch from Haye - Chavez - Haye is a sorry excuse to avoid the point, see in an argument you use other points of reference to get a point across its not considered jumping off topic if you are still talking about the same thing. Im using your statements to prove a point.

You talk about these "observers" like they are the truth in all that is boxing, hell you are an observer and trust me you dont know half as much as you think. Your argument that these observers believe he's doping is no stronger than me saying nothing has been proven on all the tests he has had.

Haye fought a bad fight against Vlad for the entire fight, Cotto fought the same way in the last few rounds again Margarito , Pacquiao, and even an older Shane Mosley. It wasnt the same for the entire fight but he was retreating in the final rounds, that being the case would you agree the Cotto fought "like a scared shitless little girl with his tail stuck between his legs." for those final rounds??

[TitoFan]

What was Chavez's weight on the day of the weigh in against andy Lee? was it not the agreed upon weight?

(Got rid of the annoying nesting).

But to clarify.... Cotto and Pac were one pound apart at the weigh-in, and not very far apart in weight on fight night. Chavez and Lee also made the weight for the weigh-in... but observers put Chavez's weight on fight night at over 180 pounds, far larger than Andy Lee. Put another way.... Cotto and Pac looked pretty much the same size on fight night. Chavez was considerably bigger than Lee on fight night.

Oh and one more thing, Cotto is a warrior in the ring and gives it his all...up until the moment he is getting his ass beat, then runs around the ring "like some scared shitless little girl with his tail stuck between his legs" See Cotto VS MArgarito I, see Cotto VS Pac, hell he even was running around from Mosley in a fight he won.

Observers say I weigh like 170lbs but in reality I weigh like 200...in other words observers dont know shit so we cannot speculate on that and use it as a fact. However assuming Chavez did weigh that much, well isnt that part of the game? I mean you literally spelled out "THATS WHY THEY HAVE WEIGH-INS" well ill spell one out for you..."THATS WHY THE WEIGH-INS ARE A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT"

I mean it cant be ok for one and not the other just because you dont like Mexican fighters....just kidding its Mexican fans you cant stand haha

"Observers" is a relative term. The observers that thought Chavez looked like 180 pounds (and of course there's no need for him to get weighed the day of the fight) are more than the casual observers off the street. But whatever. The consensus seems to be that Chavez has an unfair advantage over his opponents by rehydrating so outlandishly after the weigh-in. And then there's the spectre of doping, which Junior has not totally dispelled. There was no such outcry when Cotto fought Pac. Matter of fact, some said Pac looked even slightly bigger than Cotto on fight night. Not that I'm in agreement, but they at least looked the same size.

Ok but you are getting off point.
(You're the one who dragged Chavez into this thread).



You stated that Haye has no right to complain, if he cant take it from the heavyweights because they are that much bigger than he needs to move down, thats why they have weihg-ins right?? As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

Ok... you went from Chavez to Haye to Chavez. Let's stay on one topic, ok? So now you're defending Chavez from the doping suspicions although most boxing observers feel there's something shady about the way he's avoided providing piss tests at least twice, am I correct? Well, yes..... nothing's been proven. That's an ironclad defense I guess.



I prefer the boxers who I'm a fan of, to have no suspicious behavior to have to be defending all the time. I don't expect you to understand.

As for Haye... he chooses to fight at HW. Heavyweight is open-ended. You can weigh 400 pounds, if you'd like. If he chooses to fight at HW, then his running from Wlad is disgraceful, and Fenster's defending it is just as disgraceful.

Anything else?

Ya, why do you think your shit dont stink?

Don't get your panties in a bunch, kid. We're just having another disagreement. Trying to keep it civil here, ok?

I understand what you are saying about the boxers you prefer there are alot of boxers that I support that dont have any asteriks in their careers however we are not talking about them. You saying that I switch from Haye - Chavez - Haye is a sorry excuse to avoid the point, see in an argument you use other points of reference to get a point across its not considered jumping off topic if you are still talking about the same thing. Im using your statements to prove a point.

Reread your last paragraph and translate for me, ok? You sound like you wrote angrily, which is why you get slammed by me every chance we discuss something on the forum. I don't what the hell you're talking about.


You talk about these "observers" like they are the truth in all that is boxing, hell you are an observer and trust me you dont know half as much as you think. Your argument that these observers believe he's doping is no stronger than me saying nothing has been proven on all the tests he has had.

In 2009 Chavez Jr was suspended for using a banned substance. His history of suspicious behavior regarding doping is well-documented. If you want to stick your head in the sand like a pouting little boy, ignore the facts all around you, and insult me, as you're prone to do.... go right ahead. You look like an ass doing it, though.

Haye fought a bad fight against Vlad for the entire fight, Cotto fought the same way in the last few rounds again Margarito , Pacquiao, and even an older Shane Mosley. It wasnt the same for the entire fight but he was retreating in the final rounds, that being the case would you agree the Cotto fought "like a scared shitless little girl with his tail stuck between his legs." for those final rounds??

If you're comparing the way Haye fought Wlad with the way Cotto fought Margarito, Pac, and Mosley..... you're an even bigger moron than I thought.

You see asswipe..... I try to be civil with you. But ignorance is something I don't tolerate very well.

[TitoFan]

As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

Chavez Jr. receives seven month suspension



As they say in tennis: game, set, match.

Now do me a favor and fuck off.

[Onix]

As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

Chavez Jr. receives seven month suspension



As they say in tennis: game, set, match.

Now do me a favor and fuck off.

You got me on that one and unfortunately for my arguments it was a drug that can be used to gain strength and/or lose weight so ya that pretty much wraps that up.

But you're still a dickhead.

[TitoFan]

As far as doping is concerned well he has not tested positive yet so while you are comfortable already assuming that he id doing another shady thing you cannot use that as a defense because it hasnt been proven.

Chavez Jr. receives seven month suspension



As they say in tennis: game, set, match.

Now do me a favor and fuck off.

You got me on that one and unfortunately for my arguments it was a drug that can be used to gain strength and/or lose weight so ya that pretty much wraps that up.

But you're still a dickhead.

Oh no!! Anything but that!! The dreaded "dickhead" insult!!

As long as we both agree that you start arguments without knowing what the hell you're talking about.... if it makes you feel better calling me a dickhead, so be it.