Where do you rate Wladimir Klitschko among all-time heavyweights?

[GaydarbekStraight]

Voted for the 16-25 option. All of his losses are unforgivable and inexcusable.
Wladimir K's supporters claim he was inexperienced then, but he had a gold medal and two years as a pro, and fought Puritty on his home turf.
Now suppose we do excuse it, do you guys honestly think that he was still inexperienced against Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? do you really think he had improved since then?
At what department if so?
Holding, stalling and pushing down?
I don't regard any of his wins as a great win either, and it was his elder brother whom ended-up fighting Dereck Chisora. I hoped for that fight to come through, but no, Wladimir Klits skipped the man and never looked back since doing so. Tony Thompson really trumps Chisora, LOL. Wladimir basically preferred fighting an older version of the older man that he already beat, rather face a hungry, tough and willing to engage warrior-gangsta in Chisora. Not my cup of tea as a pick for a great heavyweight, sorry.

You put him in the 16-25 option of all-time heavyweights = he is a great heavyweight. With regard to Chisora, he loss to Tyson Fury, it would be very strange if Wlad dodged him. No offense.

Who are other heavyweights in history that have had as long of a dominant reign without facing top competition?

You gotta admit that Chisora was a helluva lot more deserving than Tony Thompson and far more proven.
Chisora fights the best, and dare I say, already surpassed Wladimir in terms of the quality of opponents that he faced.

I do understand those who voted for the yet lower tier than the tier I voted to, I might have made a mistake in my vote.

I wouldn't have considered Larry Holmes' or Joe Louis' oppositions as top quality, not on a permanent basis at least.
I mean they did fight a couple of good opponents here and there, but sucked eggs as they say if you look at their list of faced opponents overall compared to the list of their viable opponents during their respective reigns.
Thus and therefore, since I can see the flaws in other usually considered greats' resumes, I ranked Wladimir where I did, but I can see him being ranked in the tier below.
What is your opinion by the way?
I couldn't find your vote in the poll.

I'm undecided, but I probably agree with where you put him.

What is Chisora's best win? Sam Sexton? Are you alleging that Wladimir dodged Derrick Chisora? That seems a somewhat ridiculous allegation, right? In any event, Tony Thompson is a more accomplished heavyweight than Chisora. Wins over Timur Ibragimov (when they fought), Luan Krasniqui and Dominick Guinn are better than Sexton. He also has 2X more wins than Chisora has fights. However, let's not argue about it, when Wlad faced Thompson the first time, it was completely warranted, by the second time, not so much, but the division had been cleaned out, and the remaining, more deserved, fighters won't step up e.g. Alexander Povetkin. The Thompson fight was crap, but considering the options, it wasn't as wretched as made out to be.

Who do you want to see him face?

He shouldn't be ranked as high as the Sonny Liston's and the Ali's because his competition has been as good, but at the same time, it's not his fault either.

I thought that it was obvious from my post that I wanted to see him fight Chisora.
Anyway, I still want this fight to take place.
You know that Chisora's losses were all competitive and debatable.
In the eyes of some, Chisora won all of his fights up to Vitali and for that he deserved his title shot and still does.
That was the reason for that fight being marketable.
Because most realize that Chisora's losses are not real telling losses.
Alexander Povetkin wants no piece of Wladimir Klitschko.
He gave up his mandatory title shot after he won the IBF eliminations over Eddie Chambers. Remember?
What I meant was unwarranted was Thompson's second shot at Wladimir Klitschko's title, not the first one.
I meant that Wladimir should have fought Chisora rather than take on Thompson the second time, not the first.

[rjj tszyu]

Voted for the 16-25 option. All of his losses are unforgivable and inexcusable.
Wladimir K's supporters claim he was inexperienced then, but he had a gold medal and two years as a pro, and fought Puritty on his home turf.
Now suppose we do excuse it, do you guys honestly think that he was still inexperienced against Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? do you really think he had improved since then?
At what department if so?
Holding, stalling and pushing down?
I don't regard any of his wins as a great win either, and it was his elder brother whom ended-up fighting Dereck Chisora. I hoped for that fight to come through, but no, Wladimir Klits skipped the man and never looked back since doing so. Tony Thompson really trumps Chisora, LOL. Wladimir basically preferred fighting an older version of the older man that he already beat, rather face a hungry, tough and willing to engage warrior-gangsta in Chisora. Not my cup of tea as a pick for a great heavyweight, sorry.

You put him in the 16-25 option of all-time heavyweights = he is a great heavyweight. With regard to Chisora, he loss to Tyson Fury, it would be very strange if Wlad dodged him. No offense.

Who are other heavyweights in history that have had as long of a dominant reign without facing top competition?

You gotta admit that Chisora was a helluva lot more deserving than Tony Thompson and far more proven.
Chisora fights the best, and dare I say, already surpassed Wladimir in terms of the quality of opponents that he faced.

I do understand those who voted for the yet lower tier than the tier I voted to, I might have made a mistake in my vote.

I wouldn't have considered Larry Holmes' or Joe Louis' oppositions as top quality, not on a permanent basis at least.
I mean they did fight a couple of good opponents here and there, but sucked eggs as they say if you look at their list of faced opponents overall compared to the list of their viable opponents during their respective reigns.
Thus and therefore, since I can see the flaws in other usually considered greats' resumes, I ranked Wladimir where I did, but I can see him being ranked in the tier below.
What is your opinion by the way?
I couldn't find your vote in the poll.

I'm undecided, but I probably agree with where you put him.

What is Chisora's best win? Sam Sexton? Are you alleging that Wladimir dodged Derrick Chisora? That seems a somewhat ridiculous allegation, right? In any event, Tony Thompson is a more accomplished heavyweight than Chisora. Wins over Timur Ibragimov (when they fought), Luan Krasniqui and Dominick Guinn are better than Sexton. He also has 2X more wins than Chisora has fights. However, let's not argue about it, when Wlad faced Thompson the first time, it was completely warranted, by the second time, not so much, but the division had been cleaned out, and the remaining, more deserved, fighters won't step up e.g. Alexander Povetkin. The Thompson fight was crap, but considering the options, it wasn't as wretched as made out to be.

Who do you want to see him face?

He shouldn't be ranked as high as the Sonny Liston's and the Ali's because his competition has been as good, but at the same time, it's not his fault either.

I thought that it was obvious from my post that I wanted to see him fight Chisora.
Anyway, I still want this fight to take place.
You know that Chisora's losses were all competitive and debatable.
In the eyes of some, Chisora won all of his fights up to Vitali and for that he deserved his title shot and still does.
That was the reason for that fight being marketable.
Because most realize that Chisora's losses are not real telling losses.
Alexander Povetkin wants no piece of Wladimir Klitschko.
He gave up his mandatory title shot after he won the IBF eliminations over Eddie Chambers. Remember?
What I meant was unwarranted was Thompson's second shot at Wladimir Klitschko's title, not the first one.
I meant that Wladimir should have fought Chisora rather than take on Thompson the second time, not the first.

The second fight was a mandatory defence though. There will be no market for a Wlad - Chisora fight after tonight. It'll be Arreola next and what's most saddening is he's probably most deserving right now.

[GaydarbekStraight]

Voted for the 16-25 option. All of his losses are unforgivable and inexcusable.
Wladimir K's supporters claim he was inexperienced then, but he had a gold medal and two years as a pro, and fought Puritty on his home turf.
Now suppose we do excuse it, do you guys honestly think that he was still inexperienced against Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? do you really think he had improved since then?
At what department if so?
Holding, stalling and pushing down?
I don't regard any of his wins as a great win either, and it was his elder brother whom ended-up fighting Dereck Chisora. I hoped for that fight to come through, but no, Wladimir Klits skipped the man and never looked back since doing so. Tony Thompson really trumps Chisora, LOL. Wladimir basically preferred fighting an older version of the older man that he already beat, rather face a hungry, tough and willing to engage warrior-gangsta in Chisora. Not my cup of tea as a pick for a great heavyweight, sorry.

You put him in the 16-25 option of all-time heavyweights = he is a great heavyweight. With regard to Chisora, he loss to Tyson Fury, it would be very strange if Wlad dodged him. No offense.

Who are other heavyweights in history that have had as long of a dominant reign without facing top competition?

You gotta admit that Chisora was a helluva lot more deserving than Tony Thompson and far more proven.
Chisora fights the best, and dare I say, already surpassed Wladimir in terms of the quality of opponents that he faced.

I do understand those who voted for the yet lower tier than the tier I voted to, I might have made a mistake in my vote.

I wouldn't have considered Larry Holmes' or Joe Louis' oppositions as top quality, not on a permanent basis at least.
I mean they did fight a couple of good opponents here and there, but sucked eggs as they say if you look at their list of faced opponents overall compared to the list of their viable opponents during their respective reigns.
Thus and therefore, since I can see the flaws in other usually considered greats' resumes, I ranked Wladimir where I did, but I can see him being ranked in the tier below.
What is your opinion by the way?
I couldn't find your vote in the poll.

I'm undecided, but I probably agree with where you put him.

What is Chisora's best win? Sam Sexton? Are you alleging that Wladimir dodged Derrick Chisora? That seems a somewhat ridiculous allegation, right? In any event, Tony Thompson is a more accomplished heavyweight than Chisora. Wins over Timur Ibragimov (when they fought), Luan Krasniqui and Dominick Guinn are better than Sexton. He also has 2X more wins than Chisora has fights. However, let's not argue about it, when Wlad faced Thompson the first time, it was completely warranted, by the second time, not so much, but the division had been cleaned out, and the remaining, more deserved, fighters won't step up e.g. Alexander Povetkin. The Thompson fight was crap, but considering the options, it wasn't as wretched as made out to be.

Who do you want to see him face?

He shouldn't be ranked as high as the Sonny Liston's and the Ali's because his competition has been as good, but at the same time, it's not his fault either.

I thought that it was obvious from my post that I wanted to see him fight Chisora.
Anyway, I still want this fight to take place.
You know that Chisora's losses were all competitive and debatable.
In the eyes of some, Chisora won all of his fights up to Vitali and for that he deserved his title shot and still does.
That was the reason for that fight being marketable.
Because most realize that Chisora's losses are not real telling losses.
Alexander Povetkin wants no piece of Wladimir Klitschko.
He gave up his mandatory title shot after he won the IBF eliminations over Eddie Chambers. Remember?
What I meant was unwarranted was Thompson's second shot at Wladimir Klitschko's title, not the first one.
I meant that Wladimir should have fought Chisora rather than take on Thompson the second time, not the first.

The second fight was a mandatory defence though. There will be no market for a Wlad - Chisora fight after tonight. It'll be Arreola next and what's most saddening is he's probably most deserving right now.

David Haye's management is not so sure about your claim here, or otherwise it would have been scheduled for twelve rounds.

[rjj tszyu]

Voted for the 16-25 option. All of his losses are unforgivable and inexcusable.
Wladimir K's supporters claim he was inexperienced then, but he had a gold medal and two years as a pro, and fought Puritty on his home turf.
Now suppose we do excuse it, do you guys honestly think that he was still inexperienced against Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? do you really think he had improved since then?
At what department if so?
Holding, stalling and pushing down?
I don't regard any of his wins as a great win either, and it was his elder brother whom ended-up fighting Dereck Chisora. I hoped for that fight to come through, but no, Wladimir Klits skipped the man and never looked back since doing so. Tony Thompson really trumps Chisora, LOL. Wladimir basically preferred fighting an older version of the older man that he already beat, rather face a hungry, tough and willing to engage warrior-gangsta in Chisora. Not my cup of tea as a pick for a great heavyweight, sorry.

You put him in the 16-25 option of all-time heavyweights = he is a great heavyweight. With regard to Chisora, he loss to Tyson Fury, it would be very strange if Wlad dodged him. No offense.

Who are other heavyweights in history that have had as long of a dominant reign without facing top competition?

You gotta admit that Chisora was a helluva lot more deserving than Tony Thompson and far more proven.
Chisora fights the best, and dare I say, already surpassed Wladimir in terms of the quality of opponents that he faced.

I do understand those who voted for the yet lower tier than the tier I voted to, I might have made a mistake in my vote.

I wouldn't have considered Larry Holmes' or Joe Louis' oppositions as top quality, not on a permanent basis at least.
I mean they did fight a couple of good opponents here and there, but sucked eggs as they say if you look at their list of faced opponents overall compared to the list of their viable opponents during their respective reigns.
Thus and therefore, since I can see the flaws in other usually considered greats' resumes, I ranked Wladimir where I did, but I can see him being ranked in the tier below.
What is your opinion by the way?
I couldn't find your vote in the poll.

I'm undecided, but I probably agree with where you put him.

What is Chisora's best win? Sam Sexton? Are you alleging that Wladimir dodged Derrick Chisora? That seems a somewhat ridiculous allegation, right? In any event, Tony Thompson is a more accomplished heavyweight than Chisora. Wins over Timur Ibragimov (when they fought), Luan Krasniqui and Dominick Guinn are better than Sexton. He also has 2X more wins than Chisora has fights. However, let's not argue about it, when Wlad faced Thompson the first time, it was completely warranted, by the second time, not so much, but the division had been cleaned out, and the remaining, more deserved, fighters won't step up e.g. Alexander Povetkin. The Thompson fight was crap, but considering the options, it wasn't as wretched as made out to be.

Who do you want to see him face?

He shouldn't be ranked as high as the Sonny Liston's and the Ali's because his competition has been as good, but at the same time, it's not his fault either.

I thought that it was obvious from my post that I wanted to see him fight Chisora.
Anyway, I still want this fight to take place.
You know that Chisora's losses were all competitive and debatable.
In the eyes of some, Chisora won all of his fights up to Vitali and for that he deserved his title shot and still does.
That was the reason for that fight being marketable.
Because most realize that Chisora's losses are not real telling losses.
Alexander Povetkin wants no piece of Wladimir Klitschko.
He gave up his mandatory title shot after he won the IBF eliminations over Eddie Chambers. Remember?
What I meant was unwarranted was Thompson's second shot at Wladimir Klitschko's title, not the first one.
I meant that Wladimir should have fought Chisora rather than take on Thompson the second time, not the first.

The second fight was a mandatory defence though. There will be no market for a Wlad - Chisora fight after tonight. It'll be Arreola next and what's most saddening is he's probably most deserving right now.

David Haye's management is not so sure about your claim here, or otherwise it would have been scheduled for twelve rounds.

Oh right. Frank Warren the lying shit said it was the governing bodies who decided it was a ten rounder.

[jon09]

I think he beats Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Marciano and alot of old school Heavies. I feel Holyfield, Ali, Holmes, Lewis and Vitali are the only ones who can beat him at this point. I really wish he would have fought Sanders again and righted the wrong.

[Freedom]

Wlad's win over Haye seems a bit better now because of Haye's impressive showing yesterday.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Greatest eastern european HW so far. Compartmentalising wlad and labelling him with a no. makes others feel wlad is not as big a threat toward's there hero's hence he will never get close to the american top 10. Truth is none of those men fought in a global era of the sport, half of them would be CW's/LHW'S today and prime wlad would be a massive threat to anyone, ever! Who care's if someone stick's him between a pair of number's! Truth is he would anihilate i.e joe frazier RIP.

[beenKOed]

Whoever you pick to beat Wladimir has to be big, fast, have a powerful jab, a fair punch and plenty of experience. Lewis, Foreman, Ali and Holmes come to mind. In their prime and on a good day they could get the job done. Look around, do you see anyone like that? One thing I forgot, they need a good chin too.
Big, fast, powerful jab, decent power, plenty of experience and a good chin.

[GaydarbekStraight]

Wlad's win over Haye seems a bit better now because of Haye's impressive showing yesterday.

True, but Wlad's method against Haye was different altogether from Chisora's.
Another thing is Haye's beating of Chisora does not mean that Wlad could do the same.
They are different fighters with different attributes.
Haye surprised me with his good performance against Chisora, and in fact against Wlad as well.
Haye is a very good fighter.
I still think that by the time Chisora fought Vitali, he would have posed a tougher test to Wlad, and to a lesser degree even now.
Arreola is well past his prime by now, but a few years ago he could have been a threat to Wladimir.
The same holds for Chisora, whose prime came about one or two years later but also passed in my opinion.
Wars against Fury, Helenius, Vitali, Haye and to a lesser degree Sexton (twice) had surely taken their toll on Chisora.
Fighters like Chisora, Arreola and Sam Peter have a style that is just not made to last for long.

[brocktonblockbust]

anyone who rates wladımır klıtschko ın the top 10 was born after 1980. guaranteed.

[ICB]

Voted for the 16-25 option. All of his losses are unforgivable and inexcusable.
Wladimir K's supporters claim he was inexperienced then, but he had a gold medal and two years as a pro, and fought Puritty on his home turf.
Now suppose we do excuse it, do you guys honestly think that he was still inexperienced against Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? do you really think he had improved since then?
At what department if so?
Holding, stalling and pushing down?
I don't regard any of his wins as a great win either, and it was his elder brother whom ended-up fighting Dereck Chisora. I hoped for that fight to come through, but no, Wladimir Klits skipped the man and never looked back since doing so. Tony Thompson really trumps Chisora, LOL. Wladimir basically preferred fighting an older version of the older man that he already beat, rather face a hungry, tough and willing to engage warrior-gangsta in Chisora. Not my cup of tea as a pick for a great heavyweight, sorry.

You put him in the 16-25 option of all-time heavyweights = he is a great heavyweight. With regard to Chisora, he loss to Tyson Fury, it would be very strange if Wlad dodged him. No offense.

Who are other heavyweights in history that have had as long of a dominant reign without facing top competition?

You gotta admit that Chisora was a helluva lot more deserving than Tony Thompson and far more proven.
Chisora fights the best, and dare I say, already surpassed Wladimir in terms of the quality of opponents that he faced.

I do understand those who voted for the yet lower tier than the tier I voted to, I might have made a mistake in my vote.

I wouldn't have considered Larry Holmes' or Joe Louis' oppositions as top quality, not on a permanent basis at least.
I mean they did fight a couple of good opponents here and there, but sucked eggs as they say if you look at their list of faced opponents overall compared to the list of their viable opponents during their respective reigns.
Thus and therefore, since I can see the flaws in other usually considered greats' resumes, I ranked Wladimir where I did, but I can see him being ranked in the tier below.
What is your opinion by the way?
I couldn't find your vote in the poll.

I'm undecided, but I probably agree with where you put him.

What is Chisora's best win? Sam Sexton? Are you alleging that Wladimir dodged Derrick Chisora? That seems a somewhat ridiculous allegation, right? In any event, Tony Thompson is a more accomplished heavyweight than Chisora. Wins over Timur Ibragimov (when they fought), Luan Krasniqui and Dominick Guinn are better than Sexton. He also has 2X more wins than Chisora has fights. However, let's not argue about it, when Wlad faced Thompson the first time, it was completely warranted, by the second time, not so much, but the division had been cleaned out, and the remaining, more deserved, fighters won't step up e.g. Alexander Povetkin. The Thompson fight was crap, but considering the options, it wasn't as wretched as made out to be.

Who do you want to see him face?

He shouldn't be ranked as high as the Sonny Liston's and the Ali's because his competition has been as good, but at the same time, it's not his fault either.

I thought that it was obvious from my post that I wanted to see him fight Chisora.
Anyway, I still want this fight to take place.
You know that Chisora's losses were all competitive and debatable.
In the eyes of some, Chisora won all of his fights up to Vitali and for that he deserved his title shot and still does.
That was the reason for that fight being marketable.
Because most realize that Chisora's losses are not real telling losses.
Alexander Povetkin wants no piece of Wladimir Klitschko.
He gave up his mandatory title shot after he won the IBF eliminations over Eddie Chambers. Remember?
What I meant was unwarranted was Thompson's second shot at Wladimir Klitschko's title, not the first one.
I meant that Wladimir should have fought Chisora rather than take on Thompson the second time, not the first.

Sorry but that's not true he was well beaten by Tyson Fury.