Enzo Maccarinelli handed six month drugs ban

[AdamGB]

Bbc Wales . Enzo mac taken legal action against the company that makes the product also says he had email of uk doping saying that the amount in his system was so small it wouldn't have made a diffrence on fight night that's why he had 6 mth ban , he was told if it was higher he would have had a automatic 2 year ban. Hopefully with legal action company's wont advertise their products as ok for atheletes

Although someone may need to pass Adam another Maxipad.

"Althuck"? - Don't give up your day job, pal. Being a comedian's not gonna work out..neither is fitness apparently, going by your comedic attempts at imparting your knowledge on us..On second thoughts, comedy may be an avenue after all..

Just in case anybody had any doubts about the level of intellect we're dealing with here...

Yes, just in case that was in doubt fellow forumer's, please feel free to browse over the older posts in this thread where Adam states.

1) "OMG how can you compare over the counter supplements with EPO!!" (when certain steroids were/are available over the counter due to having no medical use)
2) "Jack3d keeps getting banned because the company said it had a derivative of Geranium in there but instead they were putting 1-3Dimethylanine/Hex in the product!" (1-3dimeth/Hex is derived from geranium in the first place!!! Real facepalm stuff..)
3) "Developing more cells is physiologically impossible and you're dumb for claiming that!!" (well, actually hyperplasia is possible with GH supplementation, division of cells to create more. I stated you couldn't change your ratio of fast twitch fibers to slow)
4) "Propietary blends don't state ingredients!" (Errr..yes they do. Just not the quantities of those ingredients..I would overuse the facepalm/RollEyes smiley here like you do but I think everybody gets the jist here..)

Seriously son, I'm your daddy when it comes to this stuff...Been in the game too long. You don't like me and everything I say makes you bleed from your lil vagina and gets you butthurt. That's cool and quite hilarious..Throw insults at me all day long but know your limits when you're arguing fitness with me, pal.

1) has something like EPO ever been available over the counter? To get something that has as a huge effect on homeostasis as EPO these days, over the counter? Slim to none... and you know it.

2) if you're going to quote me, put what I actually said. I did not say that 1-3dimeth/Hex was being added in place of an organic substance. I said that it was claimed to be an organic plant extract... The FDA now says otherwise (keep up 'son', I thought you were 'in the game'?). If the FDA classes it as a synthetic compound then I'll take their word over that of a keyboard warrior... If you want to go with the suppliment industry's claims then more power to you.

3) I know your buddy larry took more drugs than a race horse, but can we talk about humans and not lab animals please? Not well documented in human cases and not accepted as more than theory in scientific circles. I don't care what anecdotal stuff you read on steroid.com or t nation... No conclusive studies show it occuring in humans on masse.

The fact remains PED usage can help power output abd saying otherwise is retarded.

4) are you misunderstanding on purpose? I said things can be hidden, not omitted. Sometimes it's a trace amount of something that wouldn't end up above a bannable threshold... Other times a lot more of it in the same product. Or are you naive enough to think every batch ends up the same? If an athlete didn't touch anything with a substance that can land them a ban they wouldn't use suppliments. It's all about accepted levels, which can be hidden behind a propietory blend. Ignorance is no excuse, my point is that it is easy to make a minor slip up and get a minor ban... Unless you take one of the big boys - like EPO

As for your last part. It seems you have some weird fantasies about me or something? Not strange in the slightest...

I'm not surprised that you'd rather split hairs (you're even talking about smilies for fuck's sake! ) and side step the real argument though - Larry and Enzo were BOTH given bans for lengths judged to be fair to the circumstances (which we now know the specifics of) of their infringements... The problem is, even though you are well aware how much of a grey area PEDs are, you are so butthurt for your boyfriend that you are demanding black and white punishment for a complex area. In short - you're a retard.

So what's the agenda, Enzo banned for four years for something barely over a trace ammount that he was able to use in training? Or Larry banned for 4 months for EPO use?

Pick one.

[GaydarbekStraight]

Good to know that juicing does get the stick.
However, it doesn't get it often enough.
I have little doubts that this habit is more common than most believe.

[Althugz]

Bbc Wales . Enzo mac taken legal action against the company that makes the product also says he had email of uk doping saying that the amount in his system was so small it wouldn't have made a diffrence on fight night that's why he had 6 mth ban , he was told if it was higher he would have had a automatic 2 year ban. Hopefully with legal action company's wont advertise their products as ok for atheletes

Although someone may need to pass Adam another Maxipad.

"Althuck"? - Don't give up your day job, pal. Being a comedian's not gonna work out..neither is fitness apparently, going by your comedic attempts at imparting your knowledge on us..On second thoughts, comedy may be an avenue after all..

Just in case anybody had any doubts about the level of intellect we're dealing with here...

Yes, just in case that was in doubt fellow forumer's, please feel free to browse over the older posts in this thread where Adam states.

1) "OMG how can you compare over the counter supplements with EPO!!" (when certain steroids were/are available over the counter due to having no medical use)
2) "Jack3d keeps getting banned because the company said it had a derivative of Geranium in there but instead they were putting 1-3Dimethylanine/Hex in the product!" (1-3dimeth/Hex is derived from geranium in the first place!!! Real facepalm stuff..)
3) "Developing more cells is physiologically impossible and you're dumb for claiming that!!" (well, actually hyperplasia is possible with GH supplementation, division of cells to create more. I stated you couldn't change your ratio of fast twitch fibers to slow)
4) "Propietary blends don't state ingredients!" (Errr..yes they do. Just not the quantities of those ingredients..I would overuse the facepalm/RollEyes smiley here like you do but I think everybody gets the jist here..)

Seriously son, I'm your daddy when it comes to this stuff...Been in the game too long. You don't like me and everything I say makes you bleed from your lil vagina and gets you butthurt. That's cool and quite hilarious..Throw insults at me all day long but know your limits when you're arguing fitness with me, pal.

1) has something like EPO ever been available over the counter? To get something that has as a huge effect on homeostasis as EPO these days, over the counter? Slim to none... and you know it.

2) if you're going to quote me, put what I actually said. I did not say that 1-3dimeth/Hex was being added in place of an organic substance. I said that it was claimed to be an organic plant extract... The FDA now says otherwise (keep up 'son', I thought you were 'in the game'?). If the FDA classes it as a synthetic compound then I'll take their word over that of a keyboard warrior... If you want to go with the suppliment industry's claims then more power to you.

3) I know your buddy larry took more drugs than a race horse, but can we talk about humans and not lab animals please? Not well documented in human cases and not accepted as more than theory in scientific circles. I don't care what anecdotal stuff you read on steroid.com or t nation... No conclusive studies show it occuring in humans on masse.

The fact remains PED usage can help power output abd saying otherwise is retarded.

4) are you misunderstanding on purpose? I said things can be hidden, not omitted. Sometimes it's a trace amount of something that wouldn't end up above a bannable threshold... Other times a lot more of it in the same product. Or are you naive enough to think every batch ends up the same? If an athlete didn't touch anything with a substance that can land them a ban they wouldn't use suppliments. It's all about accepted levels, which can be hidden behind a propietory blend. Ignorance is no excuse, my point is that it is easy to make a minor slip up and get a minor ban... Unless you take one of the big boys - like EPO

As for your last part. It seems you have some weird fantasies about me or something? Not strange in the slightest...

I'm not surprised that you'd rather split hairs (you're even talking about smilies for fuck's sake! ) and side step the real argument though - Larry and Enzo were BOTH given bans for lengths judged to be fair to the circumstances (which we now know the specifics of) of their infringements... The problem is, even though you are well aware how much of a grey area PEDs are, you are so butthurt for your boyfriend that you are demanding black and white punishment for a complex area. In short - you're a retard.

So what's the agenda, Enzo banned for four years for something barely over a trace ammount that he was able to use in training? Or Larry banned for 4 months for EPO use?

Pick one.

Again, like I said to Trecco. Feel absolutely free to think that you've won an online argument. I really couldn't care less apart from when people dish out misinformation as you both were.

However, a few things as you've calmed your emotions slightly..

EPO wasn't ever an over the counter supplement because how can any manufacturer looking to make profit convince the general public to inject themselves for a performance boost?? 99.9% of the public who just want to be in fair shape would never go that far. As an example for you in modern terms, GHRP-6 and many other peptides aren't on banned lists and are legally available to people who want to go that route..You just won't find shops selling these things because they're not hugely profitable to supplement companies. Again, you're trying to compare performance enhancers which neither you or I can do conclusively. Simple.

2) I love how you purposely misinterpret my points (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt there because you can't be THAT stupid to actually think your interpretations are what I mean)...

"It's just been banned AGAIN for featuring an ingredient which was claimed to be derived from a geranium, but was actually a synthetic featured on several ban lists." was your EXACT quote.

I didn't repost your exact quote..but you're nitpicking. I was accurate in saying that you thought Jack3d contained an ingredient derived from geranium but is actually a synthetic. 1-3Dimeth is derived from Geranium in the first place...It doesn't matter where it comes from, it's the final compound that is banned. I really don't see your argument here. You made a stupid statement and you're clutching at straws to prove that you technically "aren't wrong".."Sorry, I was wrong" would have been the respectable answer here with no harm, no foul.

3) Meh, this point is debatable. I think there is more than enough study that shows hyperplasia is possible in humans but I'll give you this one. Evidence to show it's possible, yes. Bullet-proof, conclusive evidence? No.

4) I don't buy into this point at all as it pertains to letting Enzo off the hook. Again your quote is, "suppliment companies to change or lie about what is in a product." - I don't see how that is misinterpreted. You're saying companies lie about what is in a product behind the term propietary blend? So in other words, change or lie about what is in the product meaning a completely different supplement than advertised? Again, by using this logic you're giving every fighter caught from now on an alibi and excuse. Legally, they are not allowed to do this so while I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen, you're being a conspiracy theorist. Propietary blend, as I said must state all ingredients..just not their quantities. Your "legal levels" point has no basis either. Substances are either banned or not on UKAD. Hormone levels are the things that have "legal levels"

You keep banging on about this agenda thing? I don't give a shit ultimately what happens to the fighters so relax yourself. I'm putting points out there for debate..and as Memphis correctly stated, 6 months is NOT a punishment. It's time off in between fights for a modern fighter.

So if you absolutely must categorise me into having an agenda, I guess I'd say that a minimum punishment for PED use should be 12 months for anybody.

I'm glad you've stopped being butthurt though and using "fucking" in every other sentence (because that makes your argument more valid, of course), you are actually starting to debate in a manner I can respect and actually respond to more seriously. Posters who are interested might actually learn something now.

[AdamGB]

Still a few issues with what you're saying (my jack3d quote!)... But I feel this is as close to amicable as we will get... and truth be told I can't be bothered any more!