The truth and facts about The career of Muhammad Ali

[El Kabong]

I think Ali needs to be looked at as a boxer which is oddly enough the last thing people look at. To many Ali is "The Greatest" why? Because he talked himself up and billed himself as "The Greatest" certainly he was a great heavyweight, but don't get the blinders on. Sure Ali lost time to protesting the Vietnam War, but Joe Louis served his country & lost years of his prime as well, he also defended his title better as well. Those are just a few of the reasons why Joe Louis is actually The Greatest Heavyweight of All-Time, Ali is still up there as is Marciano.

Thing is, everyone has tough fights, but it seems to me a lot of people rate Ali based on his cult of personality status rather than what he did in the ring and anyone who says something against that will be berated for their insolence.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think Ali needs to be looked at as a boxer which is oddly enough the last thing people look at. To many Ali is "The Greatest" why? Because he talked himself up and billed himself as "The Greatest" certainly he was a great heavyweight, but don't get the blinders on. Sure Ali lost time to protesting the Vietnam War, but Joe Louis served his country & lost years of his prime as well, he also defended his title better as well. Those are just a few of the reasons why Joe Louis is actually The Greatest Heavyweight of All-Time, Ali is still up there as is Marciano.

Thing is, everyone has tough fights, but it seems to me a lot of people rate Ali based on his cult of personality status rather than what he did in the ring and anyone who says something against that will be berated for their insolence.

see you at least point out certain valid points, but you don't try to discredit every single accomplishment Ali has on his record, that's why I stated that when it comes to greatest HW it's basically between Louis and Ali, IMO Marciano doesn't even come close, Ali's resume is awesome, but Louis dominated like no other, so you could make a valid claim for either guy

[Althugz]

You like picking apart boxers careers don't you, Frankenfrank? I guess you could do this to every great fighter that has ever been and gone. Same as your post about the fab 4..Must be quite hard to enjoy boxing if you're constantly looking to discredit every fighters wins/losses/fights?

Although, if you are making any more of these posts, you wouldn't mind doing a break down of Joe Calzaghe would you? good lad!

(I'm joking btw JC fanclub..)

[Spicoli]

Dude. And I thought I wasted alot of time over analyzing shit.

Missing sc's right about now

[johnsebastianmiran]

There is an old adage I have heard all my life and it's that everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to express it but you don't yell fire in a theater or bomb on a plane. When Ali fought Jimmy Young, Jimmy was ready but the judges were pissed because the referee had to pull Jimmy's head out from between the ropes often. You cannot knock out a fighter if he is not in the ring technically. Joe Frazier was a boxing miracvle with a dangerous style because he had one eye. Joe Frazier was blood and guts with enough skill to protect his good eye and he proved he belonged. George Foreman was big and strong when he fought Ali but he had zero discipline and relied on power. Ken Norton got knocked out by steam roller George and was scared of him and I have stood next to Foreman in a crowd in New York on his second go round and he looked menacing. Ali depended on guts and was relegated to depending on his chin being strong the second time around. Sure he lost to Norton the second time around. Maybe t6he tear on his glove saved him from Henry way back when but Dundee's job like all trainers is to protect his fighter. Sure, maybe you didn't like the idea his fists hit Archie at forty six and maybe Liston was forty but he knocked out Patterson in back to back fights in the first round. Big Deal! I thought we were supposed to be fans. I am not a boxing commissioner. I am a guy that tried boxing and it wasn't for me but that doesn't mean that between matches I have to fgindf something wrong because anyone that steps into a ring is courageous and deserves our attention because they have to pass a tough test, pleasing fans and not teach classes on etiquette. Every fighter unless he fights someone made to order each time out has put his health on the line for purses and criticism. There is also the fact that rules and requirements have been at the forefront because evolution and revolution means that everything changes with time and we see the errors of our ways and this fighter has been emulated with technique and skills of a biog mouth that brings us to the point I want to make. Without contrversy there is no improvement and the fact that Ali may have juiced up is irrelevant because what was acceptable then is not acceptable now. The sport of boxing is over 2000 years old. Just ask the Greeks and Romans can you imagine the kicking biting and gouging back then?

[Kirkland Laing]

Frankenfrank is Bilbo taking the piss out of us.

[Mars_ax]

My take on Ali, great champion, and a great but flawed human being.

[armin]

My take on Ali, great champion, and a great but flawed human being.

Saying someone is a flawed human being, its kinda redundant don't ya think?

[Beanz]

Frankenfrank is Bilbo taking the piss out of us.

I have already called shenanigans on whoever this imposter is. Why do you think it is Kev/Gollum?

[X]

frankenfrank = moron, with residual levels of critical reasoning skills.

[El Kabong]

see you at least point out certain valid points, but you don't try to discredit every single accomplishment Ali has on his record, that's why I stated that when it comes to greatest HW it's basically between Louis and Ali, IMO Marciano doesn't even come close, Ali's resume is awesome, but Louis dominated like no other, so you could make a valid claim for either guy

No I don't try and discredit everything he did, I'm just a boxing fan and yes Ali had some very tough fights vs some guys who weren't very good. Billy Daniels fought Ali VERY hard! If not for the cut who know what happens. That is part of my line of thinking when putting Rocky Marciano up along side Louis & Ali because the guy never lost. Over 49 fights he always came out the victor, I'm certain he had nights where he wasn't as excited to fight as others, sometimes you've got to feel like he didn't have his 'A-game', sometimes you've got to feel a fighter was 100% ready for Rocky and really amped up to fight him, but every single one of those guys lost to him, it's a really amazing feat.

[Beanz]

He is at most a spanner, and a rusty one at that. I call shenanigans

[ElTerribleMorales]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

[frankenfrank]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

this is n exact description of d vast majority of those who replied in my threads so far , including yourself .
and i watched more than just "a bunch" , i watched hundreds , which i doubt most of u did .

BTW did / do u ever use d "ETM" name ?
because while i wouldn't consider d ETM i stumbled upon a good poster , he is still levels above u .

[ElTerribleMorales]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

this is n exact description of d vast majority of those who replied in my threads so far , including yourself .
and i watched more than just "a bunch" , i watched hundreds , which i doubt most of u did .

BTW did / do u ever use d "ETM" name ?
because while i wouldn't consider d ETM i stumbled upon a good poster , he is still levels above u .

most of us aren't New to the sport, plenty of us have actually picked up the sport at one point of the other, I've been into boxing since I was 5, been watching it religiously since I was about 10, you do the math and tell me that "hundreds of fights" is really anything =/, again you can see them all you want but your posts basically prove that even though you've watched them, you've learned nothing, nor do you know what ur talking about