More out of a morbid curiousity than real interest, like driving slow past a multiple car wreck, but how do you actually determine achievementMathmatical, names on a dart board? Very curious.
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More out of a morbid curiousity than real interest, like driving slow past a multiple car wreck, but how do you actually determine achievement
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my h2h ranking is not based solely on achievements but also on how fights between d fighters c/would have gone like .Originally Posted by Spicoli
More out of a morbid curiousity than real interest, like driving slow past a multiple car wreck, but how do you actually determine achievement
I also downrate fighters whom i know that ducked others as opposed 2 fighters whom fought a bunch of prime opponents from hell like Tucker had : McCall , Lewis , Douglas , Tyson and Akinwande all in their prime as well as some others that i probably forgot . And he wasn't stopped by neither of d names that i mentioned . He was only stopped when old against Ruiz as a result of cuts and when very old vs Herbie Hide , 13 years his junior .
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my h2h ranking is not based solely on achievements but also on how fights between d fighters c/would have gone like .More out of a morbid curiousity than real interest, like driving slow past a multiple car wreck, but how do you actually determine achievement
I also downrate fighters whom i know that ducked others as opposed 2 fighters whom fought a bunch of prime opponents from hell like Tucker had : McCall , Lewis , Douglas , Tyson and Akinwande all in their prime as well as some others that i probably forgot . And he wasn't stopped by neither of d names that i mentioned . He was only stopped when old against Ruiz as a result of cuts and when very old vs Herbie Hide , 13 years his junior .Sounds conflicted there bud. Fact and opinion is where the wheels come off the wagon. Tucker became a poster boy for heavyweight mediocrity and credit Don King with his many chances much more than actual merit late on I'd say, not to mention Seldon battered the crap out of him and stopped him. Must make Bruce a regular El diablo if Akinwande is from hell.
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Tucker was nearly 37 by d time he fought Seldon FFS and was only stopped due 2 swelling around his eyes . What u did here is about as bad as discrediting Ray Leonard on d merit of his loss 2 Camacho .
If going d distance with prime McCall , Lewis , Tyson , Akinwande and stopping James Douglas is a mediocrity , then most of d so called "greats" were a notch below mediocre . Riddick Bowe wanted none of that combination of opponents despite i give him a good chance at stopping a well diminished Douglas and maybe even somehow beating Akinwande . Of course i do not think that he would have had no hope vs d rest . But Bowe's management/handlers thought otherwise .
Did u happen 2c McCall vs Tucker ? i can not find it . Same with d Akinwande fight .
Tucker was 7 years older than McCall , Lewis and Akinwande and 8 years older than Tyson which helps 2 explain d mediocrity of his per4mances against them which still deserve respect .
Very few if any throughout history had n opposition as strong as Tucker's and he still ended d way he had against them .
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And Tucker was a week away from 38 when he lost to Akinwande who you seem to think a top form heavyweight. Shit is shit my man, it doesn't get better with age...nor to fit your agenda. Seldon bloodied his nose, fractured orbital bone and swelled him to returning little to no punches....who mentioned BoweTucker was nearly 37 by d time he fought Seldon FFS and was only stopped due 2 swelling around his eyes . What u did here is about as bad as discrediting Ray Leonard on d merit of his loss 2 Camacho .
If going d distance with prime McCall , Lewis , Tyson , Akinwande and stopping James Douglas is a mediocrity , then most of d so called "greats" were a notch below mediocre . Riddick Bowe wanted none of that combination of opponents despite i give him a good chance at stopping a well diminished Douglas and maybe even somehow beating Akinwande . Of course i do not think that he would have had no hope vs d rest . But Bowe's management/handlers thought otherwise .
Did u happen 2c McCall vs Tucker ? i can not find it . Same with d Akinwande fight .
Tucker was 7 years older than McCall , Lewis and Akinwande and 8 years older than Tyson which helps 2 explain d mediocrity of his per4mances against them which still deserve respect .
Very few if any throughout history had n opposition as strong as Tucker's and he still ended d way he had against them .
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u didn't mention bowe , i just used him as n example 2 some1 whom is highly regarded by many with n extremely inferior resume 2 tucker's .And Tucker was a week away from 38 when he lost to Akinwande who you seem to think a top form heavyweight. Shit is shit my man, it doesn't get better with age...nor to fit your agenda. Seldon bloodied his nose, fractured orbital bone and swelled him to returning little to no punches....who mentioned BoweTucker was nearly 37 by d time he fought Seldon FFS and was only stopped due 2 swelling around his eyes . What u did here is about as bad as discrediting Ray Leonard on d merit of his loss 2 Camacho .
If going d distance with prime McCall , Lewis , Tyson , Akinwande and stopping James Douglas is a mediocrity , then most of d so called "greats" were a notch below mediocre . Riddick Bowe wanted none of that combination of opponents despite i give him a good chance at stopping a well diminished Douglas and maybe even somehow beating Akinwande . Of course i do not think that he would have had no hope vs d rest . But Bowe's management/handlers thought otherwise .
Did u happen 2c McCall vs Tucker ? i can not find it . Same with d Akinwande fight .
Tucker was 7 years older than McCall , Lewis and Akinwande and 8 years older than Tyson which helps 2 explain d mediocrity of his per4mances against them which still deserve respect .
Very few if any throughout history had n opposition as strong as Tucker's and he still ended d way he had against them .
how do i get tucker vs mccall and i haven't read about it . have u seen it ? do u know anything about it ?
all i know is that it lasted 12 and tucker "won" by split decision which suggests a robbery more often than not .
also , McCall excelled vs big men , he sparked both Akinwande and Lewis and they were McCall's age . he beat David Jaco (whom stopped Ruddock) quite badly .
However , Tucker was 7 years older than McCall but still lasted 12 and probably was at least competitive . R U starting 2 get d true perspective / proportion of tucker's achievement in this ?
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Well, I hope we can at least all agree with the OP that Muhammad Qawi is the 5th best P4P boxer of all time. Does seem clear.
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