the "real"greatest Heavyweight!

[captainanddew]

this is the dumbest thread in history. the original poster needs to get a CT scan done on his brain immediately. he is only one step above drooling in an uncontrollable fashion.

[bigstinkybug]

this is the dumbest thread in history. the original poster needs to get a CT scan done on his brain immediately. he is only one step above drooling in an uncontrollable fashion.

*wow..just when i think i'm posting with Knowledgeable guys... i read this..or Vitali couldnt rule Marciano's era... etc,etc... r u kidding me? Vitali and Wlad have litterally ruled for 10 years or so... they beat undefeated prospects like a pro beats a novice fighter. Vitali has never..NEVER been behind in a fight! Can u imagine what Vitali would do to Marciano? Marciano weighed 185 pounds in his prime... Vitali would knock him into another dimension, Vitali vs a 185 fighter...PLEASE, now who 's posting insane?. Ali did a rope a dope on a lumbering neanderthal in George Forman..oh yea, Big George... "Big George",in his prime,would come into a fight with Vitali 25 pounds lighter... these guys r just too big.
The only guy to give Vitali a match was Lennox... Lennox had been training for a fight and was very interested..u guys r too smart to believe Lennox was untrained. U know what happened to an untrained ,uninterested Lennox lewis?... he gets KO'ed like he did in his only two previous loses... Lennox gave everything he had... and Vitali kept coming. If Lennox was soooo uninterested, why not a rematch? Lennox fears Vitali soooo much, he never found his way to a ring again after his fight with Vitali. THAT'S RESPECT.
I bring up Ivan Drago of the Rocky movie cuz Drago is supposed to be the unimaginable... he's the ultimate killing machine... he's big tall and has air... remind u of someone? the only thing different is Vitali is bigger and stronger.

[ryanman]

this is the dumbest thread in history. the original poster needs to get a CT scan done on his brain immediately. he is only one step above drooling in an uncontrollable fashion.

*wow..just when i think i'm posting with Knowledgeable guys... i read this..or Vitali couldnt rule Marciano's era... etc,etc... r u kidding me? Vitali and Wlad have litterally ruled for 10 years or so... they beat undefeated prospects like a pro beats a novice fighter. Vitali has never..NEVER been behind in a fight! Can u imagine what Vitali would do to Marciano? Marciano weighed 185 pounds in his prime... Vitali would knock him into another dimension, Vitali vs a 185 fighter...PLEASE, now who 's posting insane?. Ali did a rope a dope on a lumbering neanderthal in George Forman..oh yea, Big George... "Big George",in his prime,would come into a fight with Vitali 25 pounds lighter... these guys r just too big.
The only guy to give Vitali a match was Lennox... Lennox had been training for a fight and was very interested..u guys r too smart to believe Lennox was untrained. U know what happened to an untrained ,uninterested Lennox lewis?... he gets KO'ed like he did in his only two previous loses... Lennox gave everything he had... and Vitali kept coming. If Lennox was soooo uninterested, why not a rematch? Lennox fears Vitali soooo much, he never found his way to a ring again after his fight with Vitali. THAT'S RESPECT.
I bring up Ivan Drago of the Rocky movie cuz Drago is supposed to be the unimaginable... he's the ultimate killing machine... he's big tall and has air... remind u of someone? the only thing different is Vitali is bigger and stronger.

How do you know Vitali is stronger than Drago?
Drago was scoring some very high scores on that hi-tech machine.

[armyash]

I try not to get involved in greatest HW of all time discussion.

There's no possible way to decide. Klitschko has been great in his era but his massive size advantage has helped.

Ali was great, Frazier was great, 4man was great. It's all like formula 1 to me. Give all the teams the same engine, budget etc and leave it to the teams to find an advantage and let the drivers race. The most skilled would win. Completely different sports I know but the fact I'm making is If Klitschko was was Ali's size would he beat him? doubt it.

Smaller men will of course overcome bigger guys sometimes, it has to happen it's just the way it goes but many of Klitschkos opponents just haven't been able to reach him, if Klitschkos opponents were the same size as them I'm sure they would have tasted defeat more than they have.

[gest12645]

Ok people, my take on this : I don't consider Vitali as the best ever, but I am confident that he could hold his own against most best HWY's . I think Ali , Holmes ,Prime Lewis, would have a tough time against him, but would come out victorious . This is of course asuming Vitali is in his prime also. I think Vitali would beat Fraizer, Foreman ,Tyson, Holyfield , Marciano, Louis, Dempsey, and many other great HWY's . Too bad he fights in an era that there are no fighters that can really challenge him, and his brother

[AdamGB]

I pretty much agree, except about Lewis. Lewis wasn't even close to his prime or even in shape against Vitali and 'tough time' was the best vitali walked away with then.

In his Prime Lewis would have only found it less tough.

[AdamGB]

Edit: oh and I think COULD beat Tyson/Holyfield etc might be more fitting.

WOULD could only be said if he could be measured against better fighters... and he can't.

[world boxing council]

i will probably have a bad english but you will understand me

first to begin with is todays boxing era, everyone thinks todays era is bad only because us media does not support it any more (since its moved to germany) and ofcourse, todays heavyweight are more or less slower than the ones from 70' and 80'... well its mostly because today average heavyweights are 20-40 kg heavier than the ones from 70', and to add, they have incomparably stronger punches, and can sustain damage that is unimaginable to boxers in 70'. so actually todays era is strongest era of all time, if we are speaking in reality and not like usa media, for them 70' are religion, and because of today there is no good black usa boxer in heavyweight they talk shit of todays era and switching an eye to UFC to big steroid guys that know shit about mma and just trowing punches hopefully to hit something, and everyone actually wanna just sit and eat popcornts and watch that amateur slaughering, they dont wanna see good boxing match like vitali - chisora.. usa media is still pumping mohammad ali like a god of boxing, but if he fought today he would probably be in light heavyweight or cruiserweight B-class boxer and noone would know about him.
lets now compare...
ali vs vitali
vitali was never knocked down or even dazed in a ring and he fought best punchers of all time (shannon briggs, lennox, peter samuel, everyone of them is 113-125 kg and have punches no boxer from 70' would sustain). on the other hand Ali was down with one punch against 75 kg henry cooper... i think that speaks all but lets continue... ali was powerpuff puncher he didnt even had 30% of KO's and he fought guys who would today looked like kids in ring, vitali has 90% KO biggest in history and he fought guys who had chin like hammer, ali cant actually hurt vitali... now lets go on boxing technique, there is two ali's; clasus clay and mohammad, clasus slay would hit once or twice from distance and then run away and do shuffeling, and win on points because he was pretty tall in 70' (1.91 cm) but he could not do that to vitali since he is 200, 202 cm in prime. and then mohamad ali, when he got heavier (not more 92 kg, now is probabl 97 kg woaaaa) he couldn move like butterfly anymore and was gassing out, so there is new thing... rope a dope, well he did win foreman on that but lets see, foremans technique is equal to 0 in that fight, it was like watching kid fighting, on the other hand would he sustained punches from vitali on ropes? i think not, and still, vitali can do ali's rope a dope in the middle of the ring without ropes. so mohammad ali has no reall chance against vitali.
vitali is too multidimensional fighter for anyone, in ring he has answer on everything, many tell that he is like wladimir, but vitali and wladimir are like moon and sun, only thing they have in common is that great body, and wladimir has no chin and cardio like vitali, vitali is 41 years old and has same tempo of punching throu 12 rounds, wladimir is too onedimensional, always doing the same thing and vitali on the other hand fights like cowboy, you never know what to expect and his arsenal of punches is much bigger than wladimirs... there will never be better boxer than vitali, no one ever dominated him and never will. vitali > tyson, lennox, briggs, hollyfield and especially >>>>>70' and the one who said lennox was better in fight has not seen the fight, even lennox trainer said vitali is the better of two and later switched to vitalis team, lennox is too afraid of vitali that he rather retired than gaved him a remach. tell me witch fighter you wanna compare, and i will give you best comparison, from career, technique, psihique and etc...