Froch opponent announced: Yusef Mack

[erics44]

No chance! Froch has no business at that weight. He is a natural super mid weight. Cleverly should fight Hopkins etc but he wont because he won't travel like froch. Froch has nothing to prove at domestic level. Cleverly hasn't proved yet and fighting froch isn't the answer but granted would be a big scalp.
Calzaghe didn't give froch a chance so why should froch give cleverly a chance

ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?

i dont see the two as being related

if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it

You are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd

I wouldn't find that particularly odd, mainly because Cleverly is five inches taller than Johnson and has a larger build. He was 19 when he last fought at SMW, and he was little more than a skinny kid who was still growing back then.

If it's not to do with England v Wales, why make the Calzaghe / Cleverly comparison?

Because back then Froch was seen as green at world level (like cleverly is now) and calzaghe had had a string of high profile title bouts (like froch now)?...

You don't see the simularities in level? Calzaghe's excuse for avoiding Froch was that he was not on his level... Froch is obviously levels above cleverly who was handed his belt and hasn't really fought anybody yet.

all that is true, its still a strange comparrison to make

Eddie Hearn: Carl do you want to fight Cleverly for loads of money?
Carl Froch: Er hang on a minute Eddie, did Joe Calzaghe fight me when I asked him for one?
Eddie Hearn: No Carl
Carl Froch: Well I'm not fighting Cleverly then
Eddie Hearn: What about a Tony Bellew fight for loads of money then
Carl Froch: Er hang on a minute Eddie, did Joe Calzaghe fight me when I asked him for one?
Eddie Hearn: No Carl
Carl Froch: Well I'm not fighting Bellew either then

yeah i can see what you mean, quite a good comparrison after all

[AdamGB]

The point isn't that Calzaghe is directly involved in Froch's desicion making... Just that the situation of a well established champion not wanting to fight guys who are no where near as established is one that can be compared to calzaghe not fighting froch.

I doubt Froch worries about Calzaghe when chosing fights, I think Froch has done OK without Calzaghe, don't you?

[ross]

Froch has done well for himself since Calzaghe but if we remember back to when Calzaghe had dominated the division for 11 years and was a massive name world wide after ruining Lacy and Kessler and unifying the division, Carl was yet to even fight a former world title holder or challenger. His first was Reid, yes Robin Reid who was on the comeback after retirement. That was Frochs first opponent that had been anywhere near the wrold stage!

Back then Froch was an absolute nobody amd he was in fact offered a fight with Calzaghe in early 2007 but Hennesy wouldnt let Froch anywhere near Calzaghe because apparently Warren wanted options on Frochs future fights. I think it had a little to do with that but also he probably wasnt offered alot as Froch was litterally a nobody at that point and Hennesy would be realistic enough to realise that Froch would have a loss on his record before hes even established.

[erics44]

The point isn't that Calzaghe is directly involved in Froch's desicion making... Just that the situation of a well established champion not wanting to fight guys who are no where near as established is one that can be compared to calzaghe not fighting froch.

I doubt Froch worries about Calzaghe when chosing fights, I think Froch has done OK without Calzaghe, don't you?

naa youre getting too deep, if the money there nowt else matters

and Froch would make more money fighting Clev than all but a handful of other fighters at the same/similar weights

Perhaps he could make more fighting Kes, or the bute fight might draw a similar amount

if martinez stepped up maybe, hopkins? Bellew?

and lets be honest, hopkins martinez is very unrealistic

so back to you

[erics44]

But Calzaghe didnt fight him so i doubt he will fight clev

[ross]

To be fair at least Cleverly is known on the world stage, whereas when Froch was calling Calzaghe out, Joe was one of the biggest names in World boxing and in the top ten pound for pound directly after Kessler, whereas Froch had still to fight his first former world title holder or even challenger, which was Reid

[erics44]

To be fair at least Cleverly is known on the world stage, whereas when Froch was calling Calzaghe out, Joe was one of the biggest names in World boxing and in the top ten pound for pound directly after Kessler, whereas Froch had still to fight his first former world title holder or even challenger, which was Reid

when froch was calling out calzaghe, calzaghe was coming to the end of his career

calzaghe had the chance of bigger money fights with big name americans, thats why they never fought

had froch been in the position to fight joe a 3 or 4 years earlier then you never know

[Fenster]

Cleverly isn't even close to being a big money option for Froch. He's been defending his "world" title on James DeGale undercards. The Bellew fight was put in Liverpool. His headline bill in Wales was in front of a couple/few thousand.

Groves/Degale/Macklin/Bellew - those Brits would be bigger fights around that weight let alone the worldwide mob.