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    I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
    Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
    Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.
    In who's opinion is there a world of difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
    Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.
    In who's opinion is there a world of difference?
    Uhm....in my opinion. I can't speak for other people. I am fairly sure though that I am not alone on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
    Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.
    In who's opinion is there a world of difference?
    Uhm....in my opinion. I can't speak for other people. I am fairly sure though that I am not alone on this.
    Are you either one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
    Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.
    When you use hillbilly, redneck etc as a pejorative you are suggesting that someone (usually a white person) is ignorant, uneducated, backwards and so on. This is pretty much the same connotation when Nigger or any other racial slur is used as a pejorative. I am fully aware that Dia meant no such thing but that doesn't change what the word is. Maybe you don't find it offensive b/c you are in fact white and so is Dia (I think) but I personally don't differentiate between slurs regardless of the context or who they are referring to.
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    Surely calling somebody a Hillbilly or Redneck is just offensive, not a racial slur?

    Surely a Hillbilly is a product of poverty and has nothing to do with race?

    Gypsys/travellers in the UK are called Gypos or Pikeys and whilst these terms are considered derogatory I personally wouldn't say they were racist.
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    The term in the US is specific to white people and therefore racist.
    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    The term in the US is specific to white people and therefore racist.
    I can somewhat agree with this, but I don't think most white Americans are all that offended when they're called a hick, hillbilly or a redneck, being called white/trailer trash for example is much more offensive, and is definitely racist. I still don't think it's as "racist" as a black person being called a "nigger", that's probably the king of all racial slurs.

    BTW, most of the rednecks I know are pretty nice guys, and i'm a bit of a redneck myself.

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    Mars,

    I just don't understand how a racial slur for one group is more or less racist than another. Yes, most white Americans tend to be less sensitive towards slurs and stereotypes but that doesn't change the meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorCharlie View Post
    The term in the US is specific to white people and therefore racist.
    I can somewhat agree with this, but I don't think most white Americans are all that offended when they're called a hick, hillbilly or a redneck, being called white/trailer trash for example is much more offensive, and is definitely racist. I still don't think it's as "racist" as a black person being called a "nigger", that's probably the king of all racial slurs.

    BTW, most of the rednecks I know are pretty nice guys, and i'm a bit of a redneck myself.

    Questions for you @Mars_ax or anyone else.

    How many white farmers do you know that go around calling other farmers redneck / hillbilly / white trash?

    How many middle to upper class white city people have you heard use these terms?

    How about the rich and super rich?

    Also, is racist if a black man calls another black man "nigger"? Or only if a white person says it?
    Last edited by Ghost; 09-11-2012 at 09:05 PM.

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    First of all ,sorry Lyle for calling you a Redneck , Victor may I ask is Miles staying in your house,
    as you seem to be suffering from Miles disease.

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    Touche Dia.
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