Team Ward dare Joe Calzaghe to come out of retirement

[Althugz]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective

Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.

[Gandalf]

This thread has gone off topic.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective

Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.

Stick to one thread and don't troll around looking for backup because u can't handle me!

[Master]

Philospoher are you seriously saying that Byrd would have beaten Lennox Lewis? You crazy.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philospoher are you seriously saying that Byrd would have beaten Lennox Lewis? You crazy.

I think the possibility of an awkward fight for lennox was in the making yes! As for would he beat him....well byrd had much more experiernce against SHW's than lewis did vs southpaws (especially slick ones!) Emmanuel Stewart told Lewis not to fight Byrd, what does that tell you??

Lewis had never faced anything like chris bryd! If your entire assumption is that byrd couldn't beat lewis because he couldn't crack an egg then u are obviously not well versed on the sweet science! Speed & skills win fights and Lewis was relatively sluggish in comparison to smaller HW's! I can easily see byrd stealing the round's....

I have started watching more old fights of bryd again in his prime, he was so skillfull! Like a throwback to the charley burley and joe walcot era

Ask yourself which were he harder fights for lewis Grant & Botha or Byrd & Sanders! Zeljko Mavrovic & akinwande or Sanders & byrd! Briggs & Grant or Sanders & byrd! See.....

[ICB]

Philospoher are you seriously saying that Byrd would have beaten Lennox Lewis? You crazy.

Exactly but its pointless debating it thats why i don't waste my time, the fact is despite all these names and fights being thrown around the only one that matters to me. Is that Wladimir Klitschko fights like Lennox Lewis and has the same attributes but isn't quite as Lennox Lewis, yet he destroyed Chris Byrd twice with ease which is exactly what Lennox Lewis would of done end of.

Im still wondering how this got turned into Lennox Lewis ducking Chris Byrd, lets keep it on topic.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Is that Wladimir Klitschko fights like Lennox Lewis and has the same attributes but isn't quite as Lennox Lewis

Wlad fights nothing like him u lemon. And no you're right he's not quite 'as lennox'....Wlad is a far better athlete!

he destroyed Chris Byrd twice with ease which is exactly what Lennox Lewis would of done end of.

U keep telling yourself that....So u are saying because wlad beat him, lewis would have! U are suggesting lewis would at least match what wlad has done?

Even though wlad toyed with rahman (used him as a sparring partner almost, just to get some rounds under his belt! and then finished him with mere clipping shots lol...) Beat up mercer and jackson with consumate ease!! Lewis had a torrid time with mercer, went 1-1 with rahman and lumbered to a horrible 8th round TKO over jackson! Try comparing what lewis and byrd did to holy, jackson and tua rather than what wlad has done to byrd....

If u don't rate my opinion then go ask manny steward his thoughts on klitschko and byrd!

Anyway il let it go, it is after all a ward calzaghe thread. Just thought id make my point.

[Master]

Is that Wladimir Klitschko fights like Lennox Lewis and has the same attributes but isn't quite as Lennox Lewis

Wlad fights nothing like him u lemon. And no you're right he's not quite 'as lennox'....Wlad is a far better athlete!

he destroyed Chris Byrd twice with ease which is exactly what Lennox Lewis would of done end of.

U keep telling yourself that....So u are saying because wlad beat him, lewis would have! U are suggesting lewis would at least match what wlad has done?

Even though wlad toyed with rahman (used him as a sparring partner almost, just to get some rounds under his belt! and then finished him with mere clipping shots lol...) Beat up mercer and jackson with consumate ease!! Lewis had a torrid time with mercer, went 1-1 with rahman and lumbered to a horrible 8th round TKO over jackson! Try comparing what lewis and byrd did to holy, jackson and tua rather than what wlad has done to byrd....

If u don't rate my opinion then go ask manny steward his thoughts on klitschko and byrd!

Anyway il let it go, it is after all a ward calzaghe thread. Just thought id make my point.

Just because Manny Steward did not want Lewis to fight him does not mean that Lewis would not have beaten him. Manny may have many reasons why he did not want Lewis to fight him but Lewis beat all styles and opponents at that time so he was more than capable of beating Byrd. He chose not to, the same goes with Ruiz.

[ICB]

Is that Wladimir Klitschko fights like Lennox Lewis and has the same attributes but isn't quite as Lennox Lewis

Wlad fights nothing like him u lemon. And no you're right he's not quite 'as lennox'....Wlad is a far better athlete!

he destroyed Chris Byrd twice with ease which is exactly what Lennox Lewis would of done end of.

U keep telling yourself that....So u are saying because wlad beat him, lewis would have! U are suggesting lewis would at least match what wlad has done?

Even though wlad toyed with rahman (used him as a sparring partner almost, just to get some rounds under his belt! and then finished him with mere clipping shots lol...) Beat up mercer and jackson with consumate ease!! Lewis had a torrid time with mercer, went 1-1 with rahman and lumbered to a horrible 8th round TKO over jackson! Try comparing what lewis and byrd did to holy, jackson and tua rather than what wlad has done to byrd....

If u don't rate my opinion then go ask manny steward his thoughts on klitschko and byrd!

Anyway il let it go, it is after all a ward calzaghe thread. Just thought id make my point.

Don't call me a lemon trying to make me look like, i haven't got a clue about this topic. I've seen pretty much all of Lennow Lewis's fights and pretty much most of Wladimir Klitschko important fights. So i think my opinion is just as valid as yours.

So you think Lennox Lewis fights nothing like Wladimir Klitschko ? don't they both rely on the jab and right hands ? aren't they both near enough the same weight and size ? Lennox Lewis was a good athlete for his size especially in the early 90's when he was 220+ pounds. And alot of fans often compare W.Klitschko to Lennox Lewis BTW.

So you really think Mercer and Rahman were as dangerous when they fought Wladimir Klitschko ? don't make me laugh.

You say facts but not whole facts, the fact is Lennox Lewis fought a prime Ray Mercer in 1996 just after Ray Mercer gave Evander Holyfield a tough night. Wladimir Klitschko fought Ray Mercer 6 years after and by that time, Ray Mercer was 41 years old and shot after being in so many tough battles.

Wladimir Klitschko also fought Hasim Rahman 7 years after Lennox Lewis fought him, and people at the time were calling it a joke fight. Because Hasim Rahman was no longer significant in the Heavyweight division, and was clearly not the same fighter who fought Lennox Lewis.

I don't know why you rate Chris Byrd so highly, he got a handful of gift decisions during his title reign. Many people thought he lost to Oquendo and Golota, he also scrapped by an average Jameel McCline, and lets not forget the most boring Heavyweight title fight in history vs Williamson.

Chris Byrd was basically the Jimmy Young of his era as someone else said here, although i think Jimmy Young was a better fighter. But there are some comparison's, regarding being skilled small Heavyweights with not much pop.

I did enjoy some of Chris Byrd's fights, and he did have a good performance vs Tua. Which i give him credit for, but i really fail to see how Chris Byrd could ever be competitive with Lennox Lewis.

Despite you disagreeing with me regarding Klitschko/Lewis comparison. I think Lennox Lewis would use the same tactics, keep him at bay with that telephone pole left jab. And occassionally use the right hand to hurt Chris Byrd.

Lennox Lewis was also a very big puncher, there's no way Chris Byrd slapping and pot shotting style. Would compare to Lennox Lewis cannonball punches, i think Lennox Lewis would have him out of there before the 12 round distance.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

So you think Lennox Lewis fights nothing like Wladimir Klitschko ? don't they both rely on the jab and right hands ? aren't they both near enough the same weight and size ? Lennox Lewis was a good athlete for his size especially in the early 90's when he was 220+ pounds. And alot of fans often compare W.Klitschko to Lennox Lewis BTW.

Apart from size i don't think they are that similar! Wlad is a much more cautious upright type of fighter, wlad has the better left, lewis has the better right!!

Steward: “Wlad has the best footwork, co-ordination and balance of any fighter I have ever worked with. He’s the most accurate, single-punch knockout guy I have seen.

“A guy can be completely fine, not hurt, and Wladimir can put his lights out with one shot.

“He is the most powerful natural talent I have worked with. In terms of jab, Wladimir is the best and after him I would put Lennox.

“Lewis was a more versatile fighter but in terms of boxing arsenal, Wladimir is better.”

So you really think Mercer and Rahman were as dangerous when they fought Wladimir Klitschko

Of course they were still dangerous u goon....I think the fact that they were a bit older is negated by the manner in which klitschko handled them! If u think prime mercer and rahman beat prime wlad then please say so?

Mercer was 35 when he fought lennox and had started late as a pro! Rahman was never that good anway go ask maskaev...he beat sanders ya but got off the canvas twice to do so in a helluva fight! only way rahman beat's prime wlad is by a fluke KO! Again the lewis double standard flickers....try a 38 yr old holy or a 40 yr old SHOT tyson!!

You say facts but not whole facts, the fact is Lennox Lewis fought a prime Ray Mercer in 1996 just after Ray Mercer gave Evander Holyfield a tough night. Wladimir Klitschko fought Ray Mercer 6 years after and by that time, Ray Mercer was 41 years old and shot after being in so many tough battles.

Well include all the facts then! U neglect to mention 2 years prior to fighting lewis, mercer struggled to a draw with bummy journeyman marion wilson! Was that prime mercer?? The only person to beat mercer from lewis to 05 was wlad!! And it was a beatdown....

Mercer was coming off a 7 fight winning streak (7-0, 6 KOs) since the close MD against Lewis. He was in great shape for the Wlad fight, weighed 228 lbs, 10 lbs lighter than he was against Lewis.Wlad became the first man to knockdown and KO Mercer.

Mercer started late as a professional at 28. He had never been knocked out prior to this fight. He had never been knocked down prior to this fight except a slip duck against Holyfield. He wasn't hurt. He had only lost close decisions to Lewis, Holyfield, Holmes, and Ferguson. His last loss was a majority decision loss to Lewis prior to this fight. He KOed 6 men and decisioned Tim Witherspoon after Lewis and before Vladimir. Mercer had little wear and was still a tough fighter til K. Green Wlad KO6 Mercer.

I don't know why you rate Chris Byrd so highly, he got a handful of gift decisions during his title reign. Many people thought he lost to Oquendo and Golota, he also scrapped by an average Jameel McCline, and lets not forget the most boring Heavyweight title fight in history vs Williamson.

Dealt with all that, try reading my entire post history in the thread and stop just jumping in when something irks you! I thought he lost to oquendo (Who hasn't been in a close fight!) other than he Fought an even fight with golota (impressive!) And if mcline was average what does that make former lineal champ briggs and lewis's #1 grant? He was clearly better than them LOL. So what if the Williamson fight was Boring, yet again he frustrated the hell out of another world class SHW....It's not as if williamson was a bum is it? He beat oliver mcall, derrick jefferson (who was the only man to beat michael grant as an amateur!) kevin mcbride, corey sanders (who kayoed oleg maskaev and fought an all time classic with golota!) peae wollfgramme (who was an olympic silver medalist!) etc...

Chris Byrd was basically the Jimmy Young of his era as someone else said here, although i think Jimmy Young was a better fighter. But there are some comparison's, regarding being skilled small Heavyweights with not much pop.

Young was decisioned by Oswaldo Ocassio twice! He was stopped by 200lb shavers too. Jimmy (34-19) young lost AT LEAST 19 fights at least in his career!! GTFO WITH THAT SHIT...COMPARING A JOURNEYMAN LIKE YOUNG TO A 2x hw CHAMP LIKE BYRD (WHO ONLY LOST TO THE 2 BEST SHW'S OF THERE ERA!!) ONLY A DELUDED IDIOT WOULD COMPARE THE 2! IN TRUTH BYRD WOULD CLOWN YOUNG...YOUNG IS NOT IN BYRD LEAGUE! I know that hurt's because he beat the american hero george foreman, but truth is young was a journeyman! U just like to make him sound better than he is because if u admit to his REAL standing then u would have top adhere to the fact that foreman was beatable (which most ppl won't do!) So they make out young was a mythical fighter lol. Laughable.

I did enjoy some of Chris Byrd's fights, and he did have a good performance vs Tua. Which i give him credit for, but i really fail to see how Chris Byrd could ever be competitive with Lennox Lewis.

How do u know lewis how lewis would do against byrd, he never fought any southpaws or smaller/more illusive HW's! Lewis was fine with a HGV (HEAVY GOODS VEHICLE!) in front of him but...Anyway Manny steward knows what im saying, trust me!! Just because byrd doesn't have the ability to KO lewis doesn't mean he couldn't beat him, C level Zeljko Mavrovic went 12 rounds and made it competitive ffs!

Despite you disagreeing with me regarding Klitschko/Lewis comparison. I think Lennox Lewis would use the same tactics, keep him at bay with that telephone pole left jab. And occassionally use the right hand to hurt Chris Byrd.

Your opinion, not mine.

Lennox Lewis was also a very big puncher, there's no way Chris Byrd slapping and pot shotting style. Would compare to Lennox Lewis cannonball punches, i think Lennox Lewis would have him out of there before the 12 round distance.

I don't! Tua and wlad and vitali are also very big punchers! Byrd would frustrate the hell out of him culminatng in a messy fight in which we debate the scores to this day! Byrd had a great chin, Could lewis match what ike did? Possible but that was more to do with byrd getting over confident and getting a reality check from a fighter who was insanely poweful! IKe was also much more explosive than lewis!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Chris Byrd was basically the Jimmy Young of his era

Im still trying to get over that part! Young wasn't even a southpaw ffs! He finished with a record of:Won 34 (KO 11) Lost 19 and Drew 2! He never even won a belt for frigg sake! Jimmy Young was a cutesy boxer and a spoiler yes. He was brave, had heart and was hard to look good against but he was not a great heavyweight!

'But but but he fought ali bla bla bla.....'

Well it just shows the limitations of those fighters, not young's greatness! Truth hurt's, i know the old timer nostalgia syndrome blinds on to thus but...

Anyway i must stop now!