So who's the next "great American hope" in boxing?

[beenKOed]

Floyd not "fan friendly?"

He's one of the biggest ever stars in world boxing let alone America. You don't sell over a million PPV every fight if you're not "fan friendly." Trust me.

Maybe "fan-friendly" was not the best term to use. Of course he draws big... he's the consensus #1 p4p right now. But not everybody tunes in hoping he'll win. He doesn't have the "outside the ring" image of De la Hoya (before the fishnets) and Sugar Ray Leonard back in his time. Pavlik was the perfect candidate awhile back, before he became totally beatable, and an alcoholic to boot.

You're both right, plenty of the PPVs are fans wanting to see Floyd get an ass whipping, Floyd knows and uses it to to keep going.
Lying against the ropes, presenting first one shoulder then the other, is not fan friendly.
Leading your opponent around the ring, waiting for him tire, while you throw jabs and the occasional counter is not fan friendly.
I'm not saying I don't enjoy watching him work, it's just not fan friendly.

Fenster, you are joking when you ask anyone to trust you, right?! Your icon, your handle and your gambling makes me want to check my wallet every time you post

[Rantcatrat]

Andre Ward and Adrien Broner are the next American stars.

[Fenster]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

[TitoFan]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

[El Kabong]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

I saw the Cotto fight because of Cotto not Floyd....I watched the Hatton fight because I wanted Floyd to lose....until the Scumbag Citeh fans booed the National Anthem, cocksuckers. after the Cotto fight I have a newfound respect for Floyd he FINALLY fought someone his same size or bigger, who wasn't at a weight disadvantage, who was on a run of good wins, who he was respectful to, and it was a great fight. Floyd doesn't HAVE to run his mouth and be a bastard for people to buy the fights, I would have been a bigger fan of his had he shown a bit more respect.

Broner is going to be a PPV player in coming years. Ward isn't all that great to watch but there's competition coming for him and it'll be PPV. The United States has ALWAYS produced good pros and we will continue to.


Actually I think with the NFL & everyone worried about concussions in football, more people might say "fuck it" and get back into boxing because it might be better for you in the long run.

[armyash]

I think Broner is more of a gobshite than Mayweather was at the same stage. Mayweather has reached the pinnacle of his sport we have to expect him to be full of himself.

Broner had a tough fight against Ponce de leon (I think) that some people argued he got a gift from the judges, I haven't seen that fight but one judge gave it to him by 8 points. My point is when people said that Mayweather was lucky against Chavez years ago he rematched him and won convincingly. This would have done wonders for his confidence and skills. Broner hasn't done that.

Broner acts like a prick, I don't see him being held in high regard the same as the Mayeather, JMM's and Pacs are held today. I see him becoming unstuck before then, he'll be dragged in to a relentless pressure fight and will give his 0 away.

The way he got on his knee and made it look like he was going to propose to his girlfriend then asked her to brush his hair. What a twat.

[Beanz]

There is no such thing as irrefutable evidence. Even in a court of law no such thing exists. Chill out man it's a forum, full of peoples opinions........oh and some FACTS;-)

[outspoken]

I think Broner is more of a gobshite than Mayweather was at the same stage. Mayweather has reached the pinnacle of his sport we have to expect him to be full of himself.

Broner had a tough fight against Ponce de leon (I think) that some people argued he got a gift from the judges, I haven't seen that fight but one judge gave it to him by 8 points. My point is when people said that Mayweather was lucky against Chavez years ago he rematched him and won convincingly. This would have done wonders for his confidence and skills. Broner hasn't done that.

Broner acts like a prick, I don't see him being held in high regard the same as the Mayeather, JMM's and Pacs are held today. I see him becoming unstuck before then, he'll be dragged in to a relentless pressure fight and will give his 0 away.

The way he got on his knee and made it look like he was going to propose to his girlfriend then asked her to brush his hair. What a twat.

*castillo

[IamInuit]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

[armyash]

I think Broner is more of a gobshite than Mayweather was at the same stage. Mayweather has reached the pinnacle of his sport we have to expect him to be full of himself.

Broner had a tough fight against Ponce de leon (I think) that some people argued he got a gift from the judges, I haven't seen that fight but one judge gave it to him by 8 points. My point is when people said that Mayweather was lucky against Chavez years ago he rematched him and won convincingly. This would have done wonders for his confidence and skills. Broner hasn't done that.

Broner acts like a prick, I don't see him being held in high regard the same as the Mayeather, JMM's and Pacs are held today. I see him becoming unstuck before then, he'll be dragged in to a relentless pressure fight and will give his 0 away.

The way he got on his knee and made it look like he was going to propose to his girlfriend then asked her to brush his hair. What a twat.

*castillo

I stand corrected, can't believe I put Chavez

[Fenster]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

[TitoFan]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

We're straying a bit from the point of the thread. People like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya were pretty much universally liked within the U.S. (and beyond). They were mega-stars who, at least during their boxing years, comported themselves in a manner to attract more viewers and more fans. That, coupled with their success in the ring, is what made them mega-stars during their respective eras. Floyd Mayweather, while the world's best boxing talent, is none of the above. He definitely is NOT universally liked, regardless of how many PPV $$$ figures you wish to spill onto the thread. As usual, you're confusing the line between PPV stardom, and role model, "All-American" status.

[Fenster]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

We're straying a bit from the point of the thread. People like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya were pretty much universally liked within the U.S. (and beyond). They were mega-stars who, at least during their boxing years, comported themselves in a manner to attract more viewers and more fans. That, coupled with their success in the ring, is what made them mega-stars during their respective eras. Floyd Mayweather, while the world's best boxing talent, is none of the above. He definitely is NOT universally liked, regardless of how many PPV $$$ figures you wish to spill onto the thread. As usual, you're confusing the line between PPV stardom, and role model, "All-American" status.

No you're confusing your own perceptions with that of the majority. Just because you don't like him, and a few hundred boxing fans, that post on internet forums don't like him, it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him.

Floyd's fights are sold to hundreds of countries around the world. You don't have to be a golf fan to admire Tiger Woods or a Tennis fan to admire Federer. Most fans just recognise their brilliance.

Because Floyd is not the "role model" you believe he should be, it doesn't make him unpopular to the masses. Thousands turned out in Engalnd to watch him train when he visited. He would sell out a stadium in Britain if he fought here, regardless of the opponent.

Maybe he's not the "all American hero," but he sure isn't lacking in popularity.

[Mars_ax]

Andre Ward and Adrien Broner are the next American stars.

That's just fucking sad, it's no wonder that most of my favorite fighters are from other countries.

[beenKOed]

Andre Ward and Adrien Broner are the next American stars.

That's just fucking sad, it's no wonder that most of my favorite fighters are from other countries.

I haven't seen enough off Broner inside the ring to say one way or the other for sure, he has a lot of talent but I 'm not convinced yet.
Ward is every bit as fan friendly as Floyd but doesn't do a lot of self promotion, like Mayweather. You are not going to see him running around with 50 Cent, carrying a flight bag stuffed with money, being released from jail, talking about how much he paid for his latest jewelry, hitting the Vegas casinos or talking to his girlfriend. Doing this does make Floyd a "superstar" to millions of people. Ward is never going to be a "superstar" the way Floyd is but I think he is as good as Floyd in the ring, maybe better. He's intelligent too, just like Floyd.