So who's the next "great American hope" in boxing?

[TitoFan]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

[El Kabong]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

I saw the Cotto fight because of Cotto not Floyd....I watched the Hatton fight because I wanted Floyd to lose....until the Scumbag Citeh fans booed the National Anthem, cocksuckers. after the Cotto fight I have a newfound respect for Floyd he FINALLY fought someone his same size or bigger, who wasn't at a weight disadvantage, who was on a run of good wins, who he was respectful to, and it was a great fight. Floyd doesn't HAVE to run his mouth and be a bastard for people to buy the fights, I would have been a bigger fan of his had he shown a bit more respect.

Broner is going to be a PPV player in coming years. Ward isn't all that great to watch but there's competition coming for him and it'll be PPV. The United States has ALWAYS produced good pros and we will continue to.


Actually I think with the NFL & everyone worried about concussions in football, more people might say "fuck it" and get back into boxing because it might be better for you in the long run.

[armyash]

I think Broner is more of a gobshite than Mayweather was at the same stage. Mayweather has reached the pinnacle of his sport we have to expect him to be full of himself.

Broner had a tough fight against Ponce de leon (I think) that some people argued he got a gift from the judges, I haven't seen that fight but one judge gave it to him by 8 points. My point is when people said that Mayweather was lucky against Chavez years ago he rematched him and won convincingly. This would have done wonders for his confidence and skills. Broner hasn't done that.

Broner acts like a prick, I don't see him being held in high regard the same as the Mayeather, JMM's and Pacs are held today. I see him becoming unstuck before then, he'll be dragged in to a relentless pressure fight and will give his 0 away.

The way he got on his knee and made it look like he was going to propose to his girlfriend then asked her to brush his hair. What a twat.

[Beanz]

There is no such thing as irrefutable evidence. Even in a court of law no such thing exists. Chill out man it's a forum, full of peoples opinions........oh and some FACTS;-)

[outspoken]

I think Broner is more of a gobshite than Mayweather was at the same stage. Mayweather has reached the pinnacle of his sport we have to expect him to be full of himself.

Broner had a tough fight against Ponce de leon (I think) that some people argued he got a gift from the judges, I haven't seen that fight but one judge gave it to him by 8 points. My point is when people said that Mayweather was lucky against Chavez years ago he rematched him and won convincingly. This would have done wonders for his confidence and skills. Broner hasn't done that.

Broner acts like a prick, I don't see him being held in high regard the same as the Mayeather, JMM's and Pacs are held today. I see him becoming unstuck before then, he'll be dragged in to a relentless pressure fight and will give his 0 away.

The way he got on his knee and made it look like he was going to propose to his girlfriend then asked her to brush his hair. What a twat.

*castillo

[IamInuit]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

[Fenster]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

You're a hardcore fan that doesn't buy PPVs, like the majority of boxing forum posters. So where do the millions of PPV buys come from? Obviously casual fans. These aren't people spending everyday scouring forums, they are fans that buy into "stars"... which Mayweather is clearly the biggest. So when he fights they want to see him.

For sure lots will buy his fights to root against him. Anyone that popular has that. But you don't become the biggest star in boxing because the majority don't like you. That's just ridiculous.

[IamInuit]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

You're a hardcore fan that doesn't buy PPVs, like the majority of boxing forum posters. So where do the millions of PPV buys come from? Obviously casual fans. These aren't people spending everyday scouring forums, they are fans that buy into "stars"... which Mayweather is clearly the biggest. So when he fights they want to see him.

For sure lots will buy his fights to root against him. Anyone that popular has that. But you don't become the biggest star in boxing because the majority don't like you. That's just ridiculous.

Two sides. Just as many people hated Ali and Tyson that liked him so I'm not sure disdain can be counted out. And you can go as far back as Jack Johnson and find the same thing from live gates.
Dislike imo plays pretty heavily in the viewing of many fights and fighters and is a factor in their stardom.

[TitoFan]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

You're a hardcore fan that doesn't buy PPVs, like the majority of boxing forum posters. So where do the millions of PPV buys come from? Obviously casual fans. These aren't people spending everyday scouring forums, they are fans that buy into "stars"... which Mayweather is clearly the biggest. So when he fights they want to see him.

For sure lots will buy his fights to root against him. Anyone that popular has that. But you don't become the biggest star in boxing because the majority don't like you. That's just ridiculous.

Two sides. Just as many people hated Ali and Tyson that liked him so I'm not sure disdain can be counted out. And you can go as far back as Jack Johnson and find the same thing from live gates.
Dislike imo plays pretty heavily in the viewing of many fights and fighters and is a factor in their stardom.

Exactly. Tyson at his peak was as watched as any heavyweight. But you'd never put him in the same category as say... a Sugar Ray Leonard. Strictly based on like/dislike. Same with Floyd. There's a definite line between a mega-star boxer who has a good or at least neutral image outside the ring..... and a mega-star who's in and out of jail, convicted of rape, spouse abuse, etc.

[Fenster]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

You're a hardcore fan that doesn't buy PPVs, like the majority of boxing forum posters. So where do the millions of PPV buys come from? Obviously casual fans. These aren't people spending everyday scouring forums, they are fans that buy into "stars"... which Mayweather is clearly the biggest. So when he fights they want to see him.

For sure lots will buy his fights to root against him. Anyone that popular has that. But you don't become the biggest star in boxing because the majority don't like you. That's just ridiculous.

Two sides. Just as many people hated Ali and Tyson that liked him so I'm not sure disdain can be counted out. And you can go as far back as Jack Johnson and find the same thing from live gates.
Dislike imo plays pretty heavily in the viewing of many fights and fighters and is a factor in their stardom.

Yes I agree, that's pretty obvious, I have already made this point too. However, I think there's a big difference between what "hardcore" boxing fans percieve and the casual sports fan.

The more popular you are the more haters/fans you'll have. That goes for just about any walk of life.

[TitoFan]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

So @IamInuit who do you see in the horizon as being, not only the next U.S. boxing star..... but being generally liked as well? That's a tough question, because it seems the trend lately is toward the Tyson, Judah, Mayweather, Broner types. I think Berto has the personality.... but he seems to have dropped off the map.

[IamInuit]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

So @IamInuit who do you see in the horizon as being, not only the next U.S. boxing star..... but being generally liked as well? That's a tough question, because it seems the trend lately is toward the Tyson, Judah, Mayweather, Broner types. I think Berto has the personality.... but he seems to have dropped off the map.

Good question. Many seem drawn to the asshole types in sport generally and add fisticuffs to the equation and it kinda fits. Russell Jr seems ok and so does Benavidez. Berto almost seems to nice a guy.

[TitoFan]

Look, I have been following this sport for over 40 years and Tito has a point. Of course in my early fan days I would tune in because I loved the sport at an early age but I also wanted to see Ali's head get knocked off by Chuvalo. I never liked Ali and a big part of attention to the sport was at the time seeing his demise. I remember the feeling in the theatre 48 miles from the American border and able to watch Frasier/Ali 1 for about 5 bucks.

I never liked Tyson but certain fights made me pay money to watch prior to streams in the hopes of seeing him cold cocked. And I'm no casual fan.

Same with Floyd and Hopkins whom I hated for years. I have not ordered a ppv in several years because of streams but seeing these two lose did effect the time spent on finding a feed as well as a fundamental love of the sport.

No doubt in my mind that many ppv purchases are made with a desired loser in mind.

Anyone who denies "want" as a condition to following the sport is lapse in judgment.

So @IamInuit who do you see in the horizon as being, not only the next U.S. boxing star..... but being generally liked as well? That's a tough question, because it seems the trend lately is toward the Tyson, Judah, Mayweather, Broner types. I think Berto has the personality.... but he seems to have dropped off the map.

Good question. Many seem drawn to the asshole types in sport generally and add fisticuffs to the equation and it kinda fits. Russell Jr seems ok and so does Benavidez. Berto almost seems to nice a guy.

But your point is well taken, and at least you seemed to understand the intent of the thread. We're not talking just the boxing part of the equation. We're talking overall personna. I remember Ray Leonard having that squeaky clean image. Olympic gold medalist, all-time boxing great, career defining fights. Why do you think he was so sought after for commercial endorsements as well? How many commercials did Tyson make? Or Mayweather?

When I originally started the thread, the intent was to identify who would be the next Sugar Ray Leonard, if you will. Household name.... good image... etc, etc. I mentioned Pavlik, because at the time he seemed to fit the mold. Humble beginnings... down-to-earth character.... seemingly vast potential. But his star burned out shortly thereafter.... and now the American press is hungry for that next American star who is mostly "universally liked". That alone disqualifies Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[armyash]

I think Broner is more of a gobshite than Mayweather was at the same stage. Mayweather has reached the pinnacle of his sport we have to expect him to be full of himself.

Broner had a tough fight against Ponce de leon (I think) that some people argued he got a gift from the judges, I haven't seen that fight but one judge gave it to him by 8 points. My point is when people said that Mayweather was lucky against Chavez years ago he rematched him and won convincingly. This would have done wonders for his confidence and skills. Broner hasn't done that.

Broner acts like a prick, I don't see him being held in high regard the same as the Mayeather, JMM's and Pacs are held today. I see him becoming unstuck before then, he'll be dragged in to a relentless pressure fight and will give his 0 away.

The way he got on his knee and made it look like he was going to propose to his girlfriend then asked her to brush his hair. What a twat.

*castillo

I stand corrected, can't believe I put Chavez

[Fenster]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.