So who's the next "great American hope" in boxing?

[TitoFan]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

We're straying a bit from the point of the thread. People like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya were pretty much universally liked within the U.S. (and beyond). They were mega-stars who, at least during their boxing years, comported themselves in a manner to attract more viewers and more fans. That, coupled with their success in the ring, is what made them mega-stars during their respective eras. Floyd Mayweather, while the world's best boxing talent, is none of the above. He definitely is NOT universally liked, regardless of how many PPV $$$ figures you wish to spill onto the thread. As usual, you're confusing the line between PPV stardom, and role model, "All-American" status.

No you're confusing your own perceptions with that of the majority. Just because you don't like him, and a few hundred boxing fans, that post on internet forums don't like him, it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him.

Floyd's fights are sold to hundreds of countries around the world. You don't have to be a golf fan to admire Tiger Woods or a Tennis fan to admire Federer. Most fans just recognise their brilliance.

Because Floyd is not the "role model" you believe he should be, it doesn't make him unpopular to the masses. Thousands turned out in Engalnd to watch him train when he visited. He would sell out a stadium in Britain if he fought here, regardless of the opponent.

Maybe he's not the "all American hero," but he sure isn't lacking in popularity.

1. My thread..... my point. Simple as.

2. Please produce irrefutable evidence that, in your words: "... it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him." "Because I said so" doesn't count as evidence.

3. While you're at it, please produce irrefutable evidence, or legitimate authority that enables you to speak for the perceptions of the majority.

I've already given you the facts and figures.

A chimpanzee could work out that a man with 3.4 million twitter followers is seriously popular.

Oh wait... those millions all hate him, right?

A logical adult would produce a poll to back up his statement that the vast majority of fans like Floyd Mayweather.

An infant... or a chimpanzee, to use your analogy... would produce Twitter numbers to back up his claim.

Below is a list of top Twitter followings:

Twitter top 100 most followed - Twitter Counter


So using your warped logic, the vast majority of people would then like Britney Spears and Rihanna, based on Twitter following, right? After all, they have a hell of a lot more Twitter following than Mayweather.

Get back to me when you can legitimately answer my question.
Otherwise, quit wasting my time.

[Fenster]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

We're straying a bit from the point of the thread. People like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya were pretty much universally liked within the U.S. (and beyond). They were mega-stars who, at least during their boxing years, comported themselves in a manner to attract more viewers and more fans. That, coupled with their success in the ring, is what made them mega-stars during their respective eras. Floyd Mayweather, while the world's best boxing talent, is none of the above. He definitely is NOT universally liked, regardless of how many PPV $$$ figures you wish to spill onto the thread. As usual, you're confusing the line between PPV stardom, and role model, "All-American" status.

No you're confusing your own perceptions with that of the majority. Just because you don't like him, and a few hundred boxing fans, that post on internet forums don't like him, it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him.

Floyd's fights are sold to hundreds of countries around the world. You don't have to be a golf fan to admire Tiger Woods or a Tennis fan to admire Federer. Most fans just recognise their brilliance.

Because Floyd is not the "role model" you believe he should be, it doesn't make him unpopular to the masses. Thousands turned out in Engalnd to watch him train when he visited. He would sell out a stadium in Britain if he fought here, regardless of the opponent.

Maybe he's not the "all American hero," but he sure isn't lacking in popularity.

1. My thread..... my point. Simple as.

2. Please produce irrefutable evidence that, in your words: "... it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him." "Because I said so" doesn't count as evidence.

3. While you're at it, please produce irrefutable evidence, or legitimate authority that enables you to speak for the perceptions of the majority.

I've already given you the facts and figures.

A chimpanzee could work out that a man with 3.4 million twitter followers is seriously popular.

Oh wait... those millions all hate him, right?

A logical adult would produce a poll to back up his statement that the vast majority of fans like Floyd Mayweather.

An infant... or a chimpanzee, to use your analogy... would produce Twitter numbers to back up his claim.

Below is a list of top Twitter followings:

Twitter top 100 most followed - Twitter Counter


So using your warped logic, the vast majority of people would then like Britney Spears and Rihanna, based on Twitter following, right? After all, they have a hell of a lot more Twitter following than Mayweather.

Get back to me when you can legitimately answer my question.
Otherwise, quit wasting my time.

I've already given you numbers and reasons why the majority like Floyd. (I am not going to keep repeating myself. If you can't grasp it you can't grasp it.)

Think about the twitter figures you've posted for Rihanna and Britney Spears, now equate that kind of popularity to boxing. Floyd is head and shoulders above every other boxer in the popularity stakes. Just like global pop stars are head and shoulders above Floyd.

Far from being "warped" logic, it's just common sense.

[TitoFan]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

We're straying a bit from the point of the thread. People like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya were pretty much universally liked within the U.S. (and beyond). They were mega-stars who, at least during their boxing years, comported themselves in a manner to attract more viewers and more fans. That, coupled with their success in the ring, is what made them mega-stars during their respective eras. Floyd Mayweather, while the world's best boxing talent, is none of the above. He definitely is NOT universally liked, regardless of how many PPV $$$ figures you wish to spill onto the thread. As usual, you're confusing the line between PPV stardom, and role model, "All-American" status.

No you're confusing your own perceptions with that of the majority. Just because you don't like him, and a few hundred boxing fans, that post on internet forums don't like him, it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him.

Floyd's fights are sold to hundreds of countries around the world. You don't have to be a golf fan to admire Tiger Woods or a Tennis fan to admire Federer. Most fans just recognise their brilliance.

Because Floyd is not the "role model" you believe he should be, it doesn't make him unpopular to the masses. Thousands turned out in Engalnd to watch him train when he visited. He would sell out a stadium in Britain if he fought here, regardless of the opponent.

Maybe he's not the "all American hero," but he sure isn't lacking in popularity.

1. My thread..... my point. Simple as.

2. Please produce irrefutable evidence that, in your words: "... it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him." "Because I said so" doesn't count as evidence.

3. While you're at it, please produce irrefutable evidence, or legitimate authority that enables you to speak for the perceptions of the majority.

I've already given you the facts and figures.

A chimpanzee could work out that a man with 3.4 million twitter followers is seriously popular.

Oh wait... those millions all hate him, right?

A logical adult would produce a poll to back up his statement that the vast majority of fans like Floyd Mayweather.

An infant... or a chimpanzee, to use your analogy... would produce Twitter numbers to back up his claim.

Below is a list of top Twitter followings:

Twitter top 100 most followed - Twitter Counter


So using your warped logic, the vast majority of people would then like Britney Spears and Rihanna, based on Twitter following, right? After all, they have a hell of a lot more Twitter following than Mayweather.

Get back to me when you can legitimately answer my question.
Otherwise, quit wasting my time.

I've already given you numbers and reasons why the majority like Floyd. (I am not going to keep repeating myself. If you can't grasp it you can't grasp it.)

Think about the twitter figures you've posted for Rihanna and Britney Spears, now equate that kind of popularity to boxing. Floyd is head and shoulders above every other boxer in the popularity stakes. Just like global pop stars are head and shoulders above Floyd.

Far from being "warped" logic, it's just common sense.

I'll accept your inability to back up your claim with legitimate numbers, or polls, as an admission of your ignorance on the subject.


Thanks for posting.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

The bird who won there only medal at the london games probably...

[Fenster]

There's no way that half of Floyd's PPV sales come from people wanting him to lose.

How many people buy PPV's on this site? This is a hardcore boxing forum yet the majority ponce streams (myself included these days). The Floyd fans on this site don't buy his fights let alone the "haters"

Half-a-million people paying $50 a pop to watch someone they don't like just isn't realistic. These casual's buy into Floyd the superstar, so his fights are must see events

Two words: Muhammad Ali

PPV wasn't around back then.... but half the people paying good money to see his fights were doing so in the hopes that someone would shut his irreverent mouth.

"Half?" That's just ridiculous. Ali didn't become the global icon he did because MILLIONS and MILLIONS all tuned in to watch him lose. The majority thought he was awesome.

The majority of PPV sales come from casual fans. People in vast numbers DO NOT spend money on things they don't like.

People buy Floyd fights and root for the underdog. It doesn't mean they hate him.

Floyd's PPV numbers with Cotto/Ortiz/Marquez/Mosley - all did between 1 and 1.5 million PPVs. His opponents have become basically irrelevant. He is currently the world's highest earning sportsman. He has over 3 million twitter followers. Casual fans love the guy.

We're straying a bit from the point of the thread. People like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya were pretty much universally liked within the U.S. (and beyond). They were mega-stars who, at least during their boxing years, comported themselves in a manner to attract more viewers and more fans. That, coupled with their success in the ring, is what made them mega-stars during their respective eras. Floyd Mayweather, while the world's best boxing talent, is none of the above. He definitely is NOT universally liked, regardless of how many PPV $$$ figures you wish to spill onto the thread. As usual, you're confusing the line between PPV stardom, and role model, "All-American" status.

No you're confusing your own perceptions with that of the majority. Just because you don't like him, and a few hundred boxing fans, that post on internet forums don't like him, it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him.

Floyd's fights are sold to hundreds of countries around the world. You don't have to be a golf fan to admire Tiger Woods or a Tennis fan to admire Federer. Most fans just recognise their brilliance.

Because Floyd is not the "role model" you believe he should be, it doesn't make him unpopular to the masses. Thousands turned out in Engalnd to watch him train when he visited. He would sell out a stadium in Britain if he fought here, regardless of the opponent.

Maybe he's not the "all American hero," but he sure isn't lacking in popularity.

1. My thread..... my point. Simple as.

2. Please produce irrefutable evidence that, in your words: "... it doesn't mean the vast majority of casual sport fans don't like him." "Because I said so" doesn't count as evidence.

3. While you're at it, please produce irrefutable evidence, or legitimate authority that enables you to speak for the perceptions of the majority.

I've already given you the facts and figures.

A chimpanzee could work out that a man with 3.4 million twitter followers is seriously popular.

Oh wait... those millions all hate him, right?

A logical adult would produce a poll to back up his statement that the vast majority of fans like Floyd Mayweather.

An infant... or a chimpanzee, to use your analogy... would produce Twitter numbers to back up his claim.

Below is a list of top Twitter followings:

Twitter top 100 most followed - Twitter Counter


So using your warped logic, the vast majority of people would then like Britney Spears and Rihanna, based on Twitter following, right? After all, they have a hell of a lot more Twitter following than Mayweather.

Get back to me when you can legitimately answer my question.
Otherwise, quit wasting my time.

I've already given you numbers and reasons why the majority like Floyd. (I am not going to keep repeating myself. If you can't grasp it you can't grasp it.)

Think about the twitter figures you've posted for Rihanna and Britney Spears, now equate that kind of popularity to boxing. Floyd is head and shoulders above every other boxer in the popularity stakes. Just like global pop stars are head and shoulders above Floyd.

Far from being "warped" logic, it's just common sense.

I'll accept your inability to back up your claim with legitimate numbers, or polls, as an admission of your ignorance on the subject.


Thanks for posting.

And I'll accept your inability to comprehend the figures and basic logic i've provided as an admission of your lack of common sense.

Thanks.

[TitoFan]

And I'll accept my obvious lack of common sense as well.

Thanks.

Fixed it for you.

(Note to self: Remember to ask Saddo about his declining standards for choosing his forum mods.)

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

In HW terms:

[El Kabong]

Kevin Johnson?!?! Yeah right!

Who are the last two dudes??

If that "Hardcore" person is Amir Mansour you can go right ahead and x him off this list because he's too old, too small, and hasn't fought anyone worth a damn.

I'm pragmatic about my picks: Mitchell, Wilder, Hanks, & Jennings have the best shots.

[Fenster]

And I'll accept my obvious lack of common sense as well.

Thanks.

Fixed it for you.

(Note to self: Remember to ask Saddo about his declining standards for choosing his forum mods.)

And i'll ask Saddo to check out your post history to see the amount of people you argue with and insult on this board.

Please don't ruin yet another thread.

Thanks.

[TitoFan]

And I'll accept my obvious lack of common sense as well.

Thanks.

Fixed it for you.

(Note to self: Remember to ask Saddo about his declining standards for choosing his forum mods.)

And i'll ask Saddo to check out your post history to see the amount of people you argue with and insult on this board.

Please don't ruin yet another thread.

Thanks.

Go ahead. Maybe you'll even get him to ban me.


Fact is..... you're an abrasive, cyber-abusive twerp who hardly gets along with anybody yourself. @Violent Demise and I have only one thing in common in life. We both dislike your arrogant ass. We dislike each other also, but that's another story.


And if we're going to count the people that "argue with" and "insult" other people on this board..... start by looking in the mirror. Then I suggest you have a calculator handy, because I doubt you can count that high.

Stop trolling my threads. You dislike me because I ridicule your obsession with the likes of Princess Naseem.... and probably because you don't like opinionated non-British characters. That's YOUR problem.

Every time you come into one of my topics intending to ridicule me with your cute "one-liners"..... I'll respond in kind and expose you for the ignorant, condescending asshole you really are.