Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime

[chris6878]

The tua-man gets a bizness card from tyson

[Dark Lord Al]

Who did Tyson beat who was in his prime , great chin , and big puncher ?

Tyson fans please tell us ?

[DavilaJones]

Regrettably the one thing most boxing fans forget is that a boxer's discipline is a quantifiable trait that boxers posses. One simply cannot say "if only he trained harder for every fight" or "if he wasn't always blown up in weight" or etc... It would be as if one were to say "If only Amir Khan had Vitali's chin' or "Paulie Malignaggi had Earnie Shavers punching power."

By that same token how a boxer behaves outside the ring is an inherit trait.

[chris6878]

Who did Tyson beat who was in his prime , great chin , and big puncher ?

Tyson fans please tell us ?

Who was there he could fight. Did he avoid anyone

[ICB]

Who did Tyson beat who was in his prime , great chin , and big puncher ?

Tyson fans please tell us ?

Razor Ruddock.

[Glinchdogg]

[QUOTE=ICB;1103648][QUOTE=Dark Lord Al;1103631]Who did Tyson beat who was in his prime , great chin , and big puncher ?

Tyson fans please tell us ?

He fought everyone in his era did he not?
Can't really blame him for who was about at the time
Hence the point if this thread

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

That was one of the best potential fights of the 90's! Very evenly matched fighters (tua has a slightly bigger frame though) problem with tyson was he never did anything in the 90's really..I wish we would have had i.e holy v tua, tyson v ike etc!

When holyfield put on a few lbs of muscle he was able to bully tyson, what would a 235lb tua do? Tyson got frustrated easily too and was kayoed and even rocked by men who didn't remotely have tua's power. Tua was avoided like hell!

Tua also had a granite chin which was something tyson lacked. The obvious pick would be Tyson. Tua has never held the title. But, after studying these two for a while, I'm not so sure.

They are very similar so the logical thing to do is look at their differences. Tyson has fast hands but poor stamina. He fades after 6 rounds and, depending on his opponent, he MIGHT do well after that. Tua is too patient and has average hand speed but he goes into the late rounds with a good reserve of energy.

Naturally, if Tua could extend Tyson into the later rounds he could win. The question now remains if Tua can survive Tyson's early assult and take his punch. Tua has never been knocked down or out (until recently) and he has only been shaken by monster puncher Ike Ibeabuchi, who is one of the most monstrous fighters in the last 20 years and that was an even fight.

I believe Tua would survive Tyson's early assult. He's too lazy for anyone to believe he could overcome a raging Dynamo like Tyson. However, it's not hard to believe that Tua could survive Tyson early. He would likely be motivated for Tyson, unlike for many of his other opponents.

I don't see Tyson finishing Tua early. He took the best that Ike Ibeabuchi had to offer and I think Ike is every bit as tough as Tyson.

If David is motivated, he would be able to survive early Tyson. Now the question is if Tyson can survive late David. What I do see is Tyson's tank running empty before the final bell. Tua has not shown that tendacy.

Given that, I'll go out on the limb and make my pick.

Tua by TKO in 11.

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That was one of the best potential fights of the 90's! Very evenly matched fighters (tua has a slightly bigger frame though) problem with tyson was he never did anything in the 90's really..I wish we would have had i.e holy v tua, tyson v ike etc!

When holyfield put on a few lbs of muscle he was able to bully tyson, what would a 235lb tua do? Tyson got frustrated easily too and was kayoed and even rocked by men who didn't remotely have tua's power. Tua was avoided like hell!

Tua also had a granite chin which was something tyson lacked. The obvious pick would be Tyson. Tua has never held the title. But, after studying these two for a while, I'm not so sure.

They are very similar so the logical thing to do is look at their differences. Tyson has fast hands but poor stamina. He fades after 6 rounds and, depending on his opponent, he MIGHT do well after that. Tua is too patient and has average hand speed but he goes into the late rounds with a good reserve of energy.

Naturally, if Tua could extend Tyson into the later rounds he could win. The question now remains if Tua can survive Tyson's early assult and take his punch. Tua has never been knocked down or out (until recently) and he has only been shaken by monster puncher Ike Ibeabuchi, who is one of the most monstrous fighters in the last 20 years and that was an even fight.

I believe Tua would survive Tyson's early assult. He's too lazy for anyone to believe he could overcome a raging Dynamo like Tyson. However, it's not hard to believe that Tua could survive Tyson early. He would likely be motivated for Tyson, unlike for many of his other opponents.

I don't see Tyson finishing Tua early. He took the best that Ike Ibeabuchi had to offer and I think Ike is every bit as tough as Tyson.

If David is motivated, he would be able to survive early Tyson. Now the question is if Tyson can survive late David. What I do see is Tyson's tank running empty before the final bell. Tua has not shown that tendacy.

Given that, I'll go out on the limb and make my pick.

Tua by TKO in 11.

Are you for real?

I would have highlighted all the shit but itd take ages.

Tua had a bigger frame? He was even smaller than Tyson! Just fatter!

As for Tyson not having as good a chin as Tua.....

Mike had no stamina! For fuck sakes... Even when getting stopped by Holyfield when he wasnt the same fighter that train right in the eighties and after being out for 4 years he was still there swining hard in the 11th! Against Douglas when he was hardly training at all and getting dropped hy sparring partners he was still fighting hard in the 10th.

Tyson has an amazing combination of some of the very best attributes youd want in a fighter and this is against all the fighters in history. His speed, footwork, head movement, defence, chin, power and agression are all among the best ever.

Tua was a fat lump that could cover up and throw left hooks and thats it. He never even wan a title and was never anything.

[nikola_ganchev]

Tua is exactly what all Tysons opponents are not, except Holyfield. He stays low, he didn't throw any 'stinging Jabs' and he knows what to do on the inside. There will be nothing to counter on going in and Tua wont let him square up and start the combos. I mean it will be ugly fight if Tyson clinches and he will get frustrated or it will be Tua game on the inside.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Are you for real?

Yes.

I would have highlighted all the shit but itd take ages.

Go ahead.

Tua had a bigger frame? He was even smaller than Tyson! Just fatter!

Both 5'10. Tysons prime weight was on average about 220, Tua's was about 230. The only fight in which tua was a fat lump in his prime was vs lews! What the hell he was thinking coming in at 245 in his biggest ever fight i dont know! Let's be real though, even that tua had lewis back peddling for 12 rounds, lewis walked through tyson with consumate ease! Tua doesn't look any smaller than tyson to me...



He didn't need a hug too.

As for Tyson not having as good a chin as Tua.....

I think these 2 proved that:






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Mike had no stamina! For fuck sakes... Even when getting stopped by Holyfield when he wasnt the same fighter that train right in the eighties and after being out for 4 years he was still there swining hard in the 11th! Against Douglas when he was hardly training at all and getting dropped hy sparring partners he was still fighting hard in the 10th.

I stand by what i said.

Tyson has an amazing combination of some of the very best attributes youd want in a fighter and this is against all the fighters in history. His speed, footwork, head movement, defence, chin, power and agression are all among the best ever.

Yet he struggled against donovan ruddock and buster douglas, even bummy botha was outboxing him LOL.

Tua was a fat lump that could cover up and throw left hooks and thats it. He never even wan a title and was never anything.

Avoided fighter.That's clear...

Even tua's not title winning expolits are on a par with the coke fuelled, dong king bums tyson rolled over to become linear champ!

[Nameless]

If it's a prime Tyson, no offense to Tua but he's getting steam rolled inside of 4. Tua was a very hard pucher but Tyson was perhaps hitting harder plus he was faster, more dynamic and his 2-3-4 combos were just devastating. There is no way Tua could have better than "from slim to none" chances in that one.

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I'd take Tyson on points curiously enough.

I know we're talking about 2 huge punchers here, but they both had excellent chins.

I think Tyson's greater handspeed, head movement & punch combinations would seal it, as Tua was a bit over reliant on his Left hook.

[Bobthepen]

Baffled by people that rate Tua so highly.

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Baffled by people that rate Tua so highly.

Tua seems to get overrated off the back of the Ibeabuchi fight.

Somewhat ironically, Ibeabuchi is overrated off the back of the Tua fight, that & the fact he was incarcerated in his prime.

[Beanflicker]

Prime Tyson eats Prime Tua for lunch, and I'm a big fan of the large Samoan.

Tyson was superior to Tua in pretty much every way. Tua had huge power, sure, but not much in the way of boxing skill or ring generalship. Tyson, beyond his brutal power, had solid fundamentals, hand speed and a solid, snap your head off your shoulders-type jab. He was a vicious body puncher as well.

Tua had a great left hook, but his right hand left a lot to be desired IMO. Tyson could easily knock your head off with either hand, using any punch.

People talk about how Tyson was a bully, that he couldn't stand people fighting back. I say that's bullshit. Tyson took BOMBS from guys like Frank Bruno and Razor Ruddock, and fought on to win. Tyson had a great chin - even the times where he was KO'd, it was after an accumulation of punishment.

I like Tua, and I know he had the power to beat anyone if he landed that left hook flush on the jaw, but if you think prime Tua beats prime Tyson I think you need your head examined.