Wladimirs resume is excellent...

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

The irony of Lewis being called out for being ko'd twice in a thread about the -excellence- of Wlad is golden

I think u will find it was a response to a post that implied lewis was some untouchable monster!

The thread topic is not debating chins or lewis v wlad.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Its lucky he underestimated them

Lewis was lucky mercer was out of shape u mean! Mercer was badly out of shape! He was 238 lbs!

He weighed 228 for holmes, holy and wlad.

Lewis never beats mercer decisively, that fight proved that!

Out of shape mercer beat lenny up! The crowd knew who won.

In fact tua was out of shape at 245lbs too. He weighed 233 for byrd, 224lbs for rahman and 226lbs for ike!

I mean did lewis ever fight anyone who wasn't old, short notice or in shape?? LOL.

[El Kabong]

"The Klitschko's would be difficult to beat in any era".....who said that? 'Iron' Mike Tyson said that, that's who!

[Master]

At first I thought you were just stupid Philosopher but now you must be taking the piss, Foreman is the hardest punching heavyweight champion of all time. Weight is not always the factor to punching hard, it is about timing, technique, speed, accuracy and power. To compare 3 common opponents when Foreman was old and out of his prime just shows how self obsessed and ignorant you are for your love of Wlad. Do you even think about what you write on the forum? Foreman has also said he would never fight Lewis as he would beat him, George is just being polite and so was Tyson.

[imp]

I think its more than the klitskos dominance that you adore..its the fact they are beating american fighters. Be real.

[imp]

I think its more than the klitskos dominance that you adore..its the fact they are beating american fighters. Keep it real.

[Master]

Bottom line is vlad had a great career but lets all agree lennox is better than both brothers..

U keep mentioning lewis, It's the first and last defense in the haters arsenal. Without any real contribution to the topic at hand u have posted twice pontificating the greatness of lennox lewis! That suggest's more about u than it does about the topic at hand.

Wlad did much better against there common opponents and was willing to fight ppl lewis avoided i.e byrd and sanders so dont be so cock sure. I posted the lewis pics because a post implied lewis was a cut above, untouchable! When in reality he wasn't (even younger wlad was capable of doing anything mcall and rahman could!) He was in retreat mode for 12 rounds vs tua, bruno was outjabbing him mercer just did a no. on him! Even steward admitted he was unsure that lewis won before the decision was read out!

Prime wlad vs lewis is a 50/50 fight and vitali vs lewis (barring injuries) goes to the wire...I think u will find Vitali was winning on the scorecards and the fight was stopped by a cut correct? I also believe lewis was asked by the WBC to honour his rematch and he retired forthwith after never giving any indication of doing so prior to this point! Lewis relinquished all his belts this time rather than the IBF one LOL. I saw no superiority on lewis' part in that fight at all, cut's happen.

I think ppl feel threatened by what the klitschkos represent so they re-hash a fight that happened a decade ago on 11 days notice (which i have always found to be strange considering no one ever really brings up i.e oliver mcall when talking about lennox lewis!). A fighter's entire career should be taken into consideration not one loss, I think vitali became a much smarter fighter with age anyway...

Get used to them because they are the first of many...Borders open (approximately in the year 2000) and Eastern-Europeans enter the arena! Within a decade Americans lose all their titles to Eastern-Europeans. And then they go on and produce 2 linear champs too...

Chris byrd beats most of lewis' opponents let alone wlad! If u disagree then give me 5 who would beat him.

Lewis beat Mercer, get over it, whether it was close or not he won. The crowd were from the US they would say there man won. Lewis would beat Wlad and there is nothing you can say about his victory over Vitali, his stronger bigger brother. No one is saying Lewis was an indestructible monster but he would beat Wlad. If a 50 year old Holyfield is still considering fighting as shot as he is, does that not tell you how crap the heavyweight division is currently?

[imp]

Sorry. Double post.

[El Kabong]

Lewis beat Mercer, get over it, whether it was close or not he won. The crowd were from the US they would say there man won. Lewis would beat Wlad and there is nothing you can say about his victory over Vitali, his stronger bigger brother. No one is saying Lewis was an indestructible monster but he would beat Wlad. If a 50 year old Holyfield is still considering fighting as shot as he is, does that not tell you how crap the heavyweight division is currently?

#1 Lewis vs Mercer is an erroneous fight because by the time Ray fought Wlad, Ray was not what he once was (not that it would have mattered)...and it doesn't matter who brought it up, it's erroneous.

#2 The big issues surrounding Vitali vs Lewis is that it's often overlooked that BOTH fighters stepped into the ring not prepared for who they were facing. Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson and Vitali was to fight Cedric Boswell. No one is to say with 100% certainty how the fight ends when both are 100% prepared or if a flukey cut doesn't happen to stop the fight.

#3 Nobody can say that Lewis would 100% beat Wladimir....at a certain point in time say after the Sanders or Brewster fights MAYBE it's close, but before then or prime v prime that's a much harder fight to call, it's a much tougher fight for Lennox Lewis than you would care to admit because Wlad has since developed tools that would make life tough for Lennox.

#4 Evander Holyfield might be fighting, but he's not ranked, he's not getting a title shot, and once again it's a moot point as Wlad & Vitali can only fight who is available in this era and they can't wave a magic wand to get better opponents.

[Violent Demise]

We all know lennox lewis beats both brothers..any era..anytime.
There is no arguement against that statement

Ya because lennox was unbeatable!

Those losses were avenged and lucky punches that would have knocked out any heavyweight.

All im saying is lennox was a cut above the brothers but this is the brothers era and they are the best.

Yeah cuz they weren't really trying to hit him, huh? It just sort of happened. Lucky punches? Come the fuck on. No such thing in Boxing. They in the ring to punch. Punch they did. And Lewis couldn't take the punch. How is it luck?

Its lucky he underestimated them.

That's just stupidity on Lewis part

[Violent Demise]

Lewis beat Mercer, get over it, whether it was close or not he won. The crowd were from the US they would say there man won. Lewis would beat Wlad and there is nothing you can say about his victory over Vitali, his stronger bigger brother. No one is saying Lewis was an indestructible monster but he would beat Wlad. If a 50 year old Holyfield is still considering fighting as shot as he is, does that not tell you how crap the heavyweight division is currently?

#1 Lewis vs Mercer is an erroneous fight because by the time Ray fought Wlad, Ray was not what he once was (not that it would have mattered)...and it doesn't matter who brought it up, it's erroneous.

#2 The big issues surrounding Vitali vs Lewis is that it's often overlooked that BOTH fighters stepped into the ring not prepared for who they were facing. Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson and Vitali was to fight Cedric Boswell. No one is to say with 100% certainty how the fight ends when both are 100% prepared or if a flukey cut doesn't happen to stop the fight.

#3 Nobody can say that Lewis would 100% beat Wladimir....at a certain point in time say after the Sanders or Brewster fights MAYBE it's close, but before then or prime v prime that's a much harder fight to call, it's a much tougher fight for Lennox Lewis than you would care to admit because Wlad has since developed tools that would make life tough for Lennox.

#4 Evander Holyfield might be fighting, but he's not ranked, he's not getting a title shot, and once again it's a moot point as Wlad & Vitali can only fight who is available in this era and they can't wave a magic wand to get better opponents.

That's an excellent point that rarely gets mentioned

[Althugz]

Philosopher - Out of interest, why do you post on a DISCUSSION forum when you have no interest in discussing?

[IamInuit]

You know I can’t help the fact that my witness to the sport is what I have witnessed since the mid sixties and the empirical impressions drawn from them. People make this big deal about nutrition, science blablabla and yet this new improved version fights once or twice a year. The comparison premise is flawed. Catchweights and all this bullshit and no real unification since Hopkins. Manny/Floyd not happening is a testimony on the difference.

Advanced my ass. Bunch of spoiled brat millionaires.

[ono]

"The Klitschko's would be difficult to beat in any era".....who said that? 'Iron' Mike Tyson said that, that's who!

Mike Tyson also said he had a broken back.

[El Kabong]

"The Klitschko's would be difficult to beat in any era".....who said that? 'Iron' Mike Tyson said that, that's who!

Mike Tyson also said he had a broken back.

Your point being?